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      08-15-2019, 06:01 PM   #23
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Based on the M3/M4 CS, it's probable that there will be minimal performance increase.
80hp power bump compared to the original M2 | 40hp power bump compared to the M2 Competition:
  • original M2 (N55): 272kw (365hp mech - 370hp metric)
  • M2 Competition (S55): 302kW (405hp mech - 410hp metric)
  • M2 CS (S55): 331kw (444hp mech - 450hp metric)
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M2 csl 2021 ?

Hi to everyone , i have read a lot of threads regarding the new M2CS and some say it will be at the next Frankfurt Motorshow in September and will end its production at the end of 2020. On some other threads i have read that BMW maybe make another model a final F87 version which most probably be the M2 CSL . For me makes sense since the next generation G87 M2 will be released end of 2023 which is a big gap (almost 3 years without M2 production). Does anyone heard of the CSL (heard that BMW had trademarked the M2 CSL internationally) . Is it coming as a final version on the succesful F87 chassis? If yes , should we skip the M2 CS and just wait for the famous CSL ? Artemis
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Is it coming as a final version on the successful F87 chassis? If yes, should we skip the M2 CS and just wait for the famous CSL ? Artemis
Currently:
  • M2 CS: not officially confirmed yet, but definitely in the works and coming;
  • M2 CSL: speculation (see for example here and here).
A hypothetical M2 CSL risks to be considered too hardcore, too expensive and too-hard-to-get for most people (street legal but particularly track-oriented: 2-seater, cup tires, coilover suspension, roll cage, possibly water injection and a fire extinguisher). Beware, it could remain a pipe dream.
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They are only putting ppl on these lists to create artificial scarcity

There are a lot of m3cs and m4cs sitting in showrooms, not alot of ppl buying these brand new as the price is a significant jump,

my guess is in Canada it will be 100k-105k msrp without ceramic brakes, which add on another 10k
I totally agree with this. It may end up lower production with less discounted in dealers but if pricing follows the same model so will this scenario.
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Hi to everyone , i have read a lot of threads regarding the new M2CS and some say it will be at the next Frankfurt Motorshow in September and will end its production at the end of 2020. On some other threads i have read that BMW maybe make another model a final F87 version which most probably be the M2 CSL . For me makes sense since the next generation G87 M2 will be released end of 2023 which is a big gap (almost 3 years without M2 production). Does anyone heard of the CSL (heard that BMW had trademarked the M2 CSL internationally) . Is it coming as a final version on the succesful F87 chassis? If yes , should we skip the M2 CS and just wait for the famous CSL ? Artemis
I srsly doubt they would be making m2 csl for a platform they consider the runt of the pack

If you dont see m4 csl, i dont think there will be a m2 csl
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On some other threads i have read that BMW maybe make another model a final F87 version which most probably be the M2 CSL . For me makes sense since the next generation G87 M2 will be released end of 2023 which is a big gap (almost 3 years without M2 production). Does anyone heard of the CSL (heard that BMW had trademarked the M2 CSL internationally) . Is it coming as a final version on the succesful F87 chassis? If yes , should we skip the M2 CS and just wait for the famous CSL ? Artemis
You may reside on the wrong side of the pond for the CSL, if it happens.

Just like we got screwed over on the E46 M3 CSL, Europeans may be getting the shaft on the M2 CSL.
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You may reside on the wrong side of the pond for the CSL, if it happens.

Just like we got screwed over on the E46 M3 CSL, Europeans may be getting the shaft on the M2 CSL.
So early reports suggested the CS would be USA based and EU would get a CSL....are we now thinking/rumouring that a CSL would be USA only?
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So early reports suggested the CS would be USA based and EU would get a CSL....are we now thinking/rumouring that a CSL would be USA only?
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=901686

In the first post, scroll down to the 3rd bullet point under August 2019 update. It doesn't mention CSL per se, but we can read between the lines for fun.
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https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=901686

In the first post, scroll down to the 3rd bullet point under August 2019 update. It doesn't mention CSL per se, but we can read between the lines for fun.
Just interesting as at first ‘something special/CSL’ was EU market...and now it’s USA market...
Why don’t BMW/dealers do more to fuel the fire and push out little drips of info. A super dark poster showing an CSL badge or something? Sent out to potential customers or just anyone! Would cost next to northing and stop people getting bored and spending money elsewhere...I duno...anything!
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Why don’t BMW/dealers do more to fuel the fire and push out little drips of info. A super dark poster showing an CSL badge or something? Sent out to potential customers or just anyone! Would cost next to northing and stop people getting bored and spending money elsewhere...I duno...anything!
FWIW, post from August 12, 2018 (a year ago):
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My friends at BMWblog posted this yesterday... Anyone spotted it?



https://www.bmwblog.com/2018/08/11/b...pcoming-model/
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FWIW, post from August 12, 2018 (a year ago):
But something like this (more professionally done) sent from BMW itself would surely stoke a very good fire...get press talking about ‘BMW (CSL) are back’

But admittedly this does look good to me as it is ��
On the normal M2 Comp does that gauge area just say ‘M2’?
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Csl means no armrest, no glove box

If the cs missing those, then the csl prob have seat delete too!
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CSL should be a weekend car not a daily driver. Hopefully it is coming.
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get press talking about ‘BMW (CSL) are back’
"We will see more limited editions, especially models like the CS and, I can imagine, the CSL (...) We won't do this for every car but I would go as far as to say that we also don't have to stick to coupes only. I can imagine CS and other special versions also will turn up. (...) We won't see the GTS sub-brand in future. There will be CS and maybe CSL. There won't be a GTS in parallel with CSL. (...) CSL stands for lightweight, CSL stands for racetrack ability, and for the purest M character that you can achieve on a car that has still got licence plates on it."
(BMW M boss Markus Flasch - Spring 2019 - source: here)

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On the normal M2 Comp does that gauge area just say ‘M2’?
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test drive a m3cs and see if the cabin is to your liking. I didn't want to pay a fortune and get seat with holes in them and no door handle. we can make up the power bump with a map I hope
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80hp power bump compared to the original M2 | 40hp power bump compared to the M2 Competition:
  • original M2 (N55): 272kw (365hp mech - 370hp metric)
  • M2 Competition (S55): 302kW (405hp mech - 410hp metric)
  • M2 CS (S55): 331kw (444hp mech - 450hp metric)
The M2C already can barely put the power down, I'm not sure it's such a big deal. Besides, it's just software, same S55 and can get the same power with a tune. They want to produce a higher performance car? Try modifying the car to allow for something wider than 245/265.


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FWIW, post from August 12, 2018 (a year ago):
It looks photoshopped, though. The 2 is blurry and looks raised a few more pixels than normal. The CSL text seems sharper.

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test drive a m3cs and see if the cabin is to your liking. I didn't want to pay a fortune and get seat with holes in them and no door handle. we can make up the power bump with a map I hope
Yes, the critical mistake of the CS models is the removal of things that are silly, like the center console armrest and the door handles / door cards / missing cubby. There is no tangible benefit to that. The holes in the seats, I had no problem with either way, unless you have clowns or kids in the back seat that want to poke you through them.
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It looks photoshopped, though. The 2 is blurry and looks raised a few more pixels than normal. The CSL text seems sharper.
Maybe. Maybe not. Besides, some test cars never make it to production. Engineers don't call the shots; managers and bean-counters do.



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Try modifying the car to allow for something wider than 245/265.
The original M2 got quite a wider track than the M235i: 55mm front and 80mm rear to host M4 suspension components.

Reposting this comment from the past about the Störkantendurchlauf (= collision check) at the BMW Leipzig factory.
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Keep in mind that the infrastructure at the Leipzig factory also plays a key role: prior to building the M2, a 'collision check' through the production facilities was performed (see the picture below: "Störkantendurchlauf" = interfering edges run-through - source: this video (11:21-11:40)).
If an M2 variant fails that test (too wide), it's either back to the drawing board or build the car (partially) elsewhere, or work with 'add-on' body parts. I cannot see BMW restructuring the Leipzig production facility merely for building an M2 variant.
Conclusion: M2 variant fenders can only become as wide as the "Störkantendurchlauf" test allows. Likely there's still some margin compared to the current M2, but it might be getting tight.

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It looks photoshopped, though. The 2 is blurry and looks raised a few more pixels than normal. The CSL text seems sharper.


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Try modifying the car to allow for something wider than 245/265.
The original M2 got quite a wider track than the M235i: 55mm front and 80mm rear to host M4 suspension components.

Reposting this comment from the past about the Störkantendurchlauf (= collision check) at the BMW Leipzig factory.
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Keep in mind that the infrastructure at the Leipzig factory also plays a key role: prior to building the M2, a 'collision check' through the production facilities was performed (see the picture below: "Störkantendurchlauf" = interfering edges run-through - source: this video (11:21-11:40)).
If an M2 variant fails that test (too wide), it's either back to the drawing board or build the car (partially) elsewhere, or work with 'add-on' body parts. I cannot see BMW restructuring the Leipzig production facility merely for building an M2 variant.
Conclusion: M2 variant fenders can only become as wide as the "Störkantendurchlauf" test allows. Likely there's still some margin compared to the current M2, but it might be getting tight.
Thanks! Your posts are always informative..

One would assume, that the new plant in Mexico, built with the next generation's model demand in mind, would design a "Störkantendurchlauf" to accommodate a larger track wheelbase.

Especially since a companies like Ford can push out a Mustang with 305 rear tires..

Edit: Never mind, found the answer (Yes!):


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Given the fact that I think the CS will be at a pricepoint where people will just say "why wouldn't I just get a porsche" my advice is to get the comp.
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The CS is built for enthusiasts and for people that want such a „more raw" car. And BMW knows that, that is also why the car will be limited in production and is not replacing the M2C…

So if there are things that you don't like on the M3/4CS and you still want some comfort, then buy the M2C…buy the car that suits you and not only because it is the latest and newest.

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