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      01-25-2016, 09:11 PM   #23
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Agree...CSL, if that. I can't even imagine the medical bills for all the strokes early M2 buyers would be having if the 2018 M2 had the S55...
Well, at least they can say that the 2016-17 M2 sounds better than the supposed S55 M2.
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Apologies if this point has already been covered, not seen it yet?

If there is a test mule wouldn't it be really obvious as the bonnet would need more space to house the large intercooler like the S55 M3/4?

Power dome M2 test mules anyone?
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I don't see why they wouldn't be testing the S55 in the 2er chassi, Its a great small coupé the 2 series is what the 3 series coupé were once in terms of size.

But it could be just random tests for future cars with similar size witch haven't gotten a production mule yet so they take the next best thing in size witch is the 2 series.

But as many have said would be weird LCI change on a M2 to swap it from the n55 to s55 engine instead of the b58 engine that is coming. If the rumors are suposibly true then its either a M2 CSL or something totally else. But an M2 CSL would be pricey i bet.

There has been a lot of weird test mules from BMW HQ testing all sort of engines in all sort of cars. And the history of BMW or any other car manufacturer can sure testify of that.
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I would be surprised if they put the same engine in the M2 and 3-4. I think BMW has worked pretty hard to create space between these cars in terms of performance and price. The performance is likely to be really close already, what would the value proposition be of an M4 if the M2 had the same power plant and equal or better performance.
But if it's a CSL, which will be priced more than M4, then it all makes sense.
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One more reason to wait for MY2018 before ordering. The PPK version of the B58 already have 360ps so an updated B58 could be a good candidate to take over the N55 and a detuned S55 with around 400hp could be a nice M2 CSL engine. Maybe the M2 CSL if ever it happen could use a B58 with water injection.
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I don't see why they wouldn't be testing the S55 in the 2er chassi, Its a great small coupé the 2 series is what the 3 series coupé were once in terms of size.

But it could be just random tests for future cars with similar size witch haven't gotten a production mule yet so they take the next best thing in size witch is the 2 series.

But as many have said would be weird LCI change on a M2 to swap it from the n55 to s55 engine instead of the b58 engine that is coming. If the rumors are suposibly true then its either a M2 CSL or something totally else. But an M2 CSL would be pricey i bet.

There has been a lot of weird test mules from BMW HQ testing all sort of engines in all sort of cars. And the history of BMW or any other car manufacturer can sure testify of that.
I might be wrong on this, but I seem to remember the E46 M3 CSL being some 50% more than the standard car in Europe.

I know that was a different time and they never sold it in America, but it might give us an idea of what ballpark the car would land in. If the M2 starts at 53 (including destination), then I would expect a CSL to be right under the 80K mark, which puts it in the same arena as the Cayman GT4, but still a value proposition.

If they did put an S55 in there, or developed a new S engine (4 cylinder?), then I would expect the car to be even more than that. But the real magic might be that not much changes in terms of the engine and whatnot, but they somehow shave 300 pounds off the standard M2. That would be a badass car for sure...
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One more reason to wait for MY2018 before ordering. The PPK version of the B58 already have 360ps so an updated B58 could be a good candidate to take over the N55 and a detuned S55 with around 400hp could be a nice M2 CSL engine. Maybe the M2 CSL if ever it happen could use a B58 with water injection.
I don't know about that. There HAD to be a reason why they'd take the time and resources to make essentially a new version of the N55 (and a low production one at that) rather than use the B58 platform. It certainly makes the power, so there's something more to it than that.
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I don't know about that. There HAD to be a reason why they'd take the time and resources to make essentially a new version of the N55 (and a low production one at that) rather than use the B58 platform. It certainly makes the power, so there's something more to it than that.
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"Wir kennen diesen Motor. Er ist robust und auch im Hochleistungsbereich erprobt. Immerhin war er die ursprüngliche Basis für den M3-Motor. Wir hätten den B58 modifizieren können. Aber auch das wäre eine Zeit- und Kostenfrage gewesen“, erläutert Isenberg.
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"We know this engine. It's robust and also proven in high-power usage/range. After all, the engine of the M3 is based on the N55. We could have modified the B58, but that would've been a question of time and costs", says Isenberg.

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Agreed on the first part...but the part about time and costs?

To me, that means significant parts sharing with the S55. If not for that, considering they gave this N55 a new block, etc. how much cost savings could there really have been doing the exact same thing starting with the B series?

All of that, or they just knew many M owners wold be pissed about a rear-facing timing chain/vanos.
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The price of the M2 CSL won't be an issue if produced in (very) limited quantities. Look at the M4 GTS: the price-tag did not avoid an immediate "sold out" sign.

The M2 might be an even more exciting platform to start from for conceiving a CSL variant (more compact size). If the M2 CSL turns out to be cool hardcore race track porn + exclusive, than all cars will be gone in no time, even if put up for sale for (almost) twice the price of the 'regular' M2.

I expect the M2 CSL - if ever commercialized - to be positioned in Cayman GT4 territory.
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The price of the M2 CSL won't be an issue if produced in (very) limited quantities. Look at the M4 GTS: the price-tag did not avoid an immediate "sold out" sign.

The M2 might be an even more exciting platform to start from for conceiving a CSL variant (more compact size). If the M2 CSL turns out to be cool hardcore race track porn + exclusive, than all cars will be gone in no time, even if put up for sale for (almost) twice the price of the 'regular' M2.

I expect the M2 CSL - if ever commercialized - to be positioned in Cayman GT4 territory.
Sounds plausible.

TBH, I'm surprised we have not seen any "special" (S55) M2 mules on the NS that the German guy mentioned.
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The price of the M2 CSL won't be an issue if produced in (very) limited quantities. Look at the M4 GTS: the price-tag did not avoid an immediate "sold out" sign.

The M2 might be an even more exciting platform to start from for conceiving a CSL variant (more compact size). If the M2 CSL turns out to be cool hardcore race track porn + exclusive, than all cars will be gone in no time, even if put up for sale for (almost) twice the price of the 'regular' M2.

I expect the M2 CSL - if ever commercialized - to be positioned in Cayman GT4 territory.
Sounds plausible.

TBH, I'm surprised we have not seen any "special" (S55) M2 mules on the NS that the German guy mentioned.

The most recent mules were rumored to be a 235 racing " update". Don't know if an S55 was under the hood of course..
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See here: http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...&postcount=104

The price of the M2 CSL won't be an issue if produced in (very) limited quantities. Look at the M4 GTS: the price-tag did not avoid an immediate "sold out" sign.

The M2 might be an even more exciting platform to start from for conceiving a CSL variant (more compact size). If the M2 CSL turns out to be cool hardcore race track porn + exclusive, than all cars will be gone in no time, even if put up for sale for (almost) twice the price of the 'regular' M2.

I expect the M2 CSL - if ever commercialized - to be positioned in Cayman GT4 territory.
Agree with all of the above.
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Doesn't the m2's engine already have s55 internals? Would be kind of pointless to throw the whole s55 in there when they already got a n55/s55 hybrid thrown in the base m2
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The most recent mules were rumored to be a 235 racing " update". Don't know if an S55 was under the hood of course..
Nah...

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Nah...

Any more pics? And I hope that this is a gts thing because I would be super bummed since I already have ordered my m2. But gts would most likely be to expensive but that is the 235 racing body but not that it would be hard to switch.
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Installing a full S55 in to the M2 doesn't make a whole lot of sense given that BMW have made many other economies to keep clear air between the M2 and M4.

Unless, perhaps, there's an update on the M4 in 2018 which moves to the B58 (S58?) and it no longer matters if the M2 raids the M4 parts bin some more and adopts the full S55?

It's going to be interesting to see what the service intervals are on the M2. In the UK the N55 in the Mx35i has a 2-year/18,000-mile service interval with no 1,000-mile run-in service. Given that the M2 has a hybrid N55/S55 with, officially, only another 45BHP it doesn't seem to merit a significantly different service interval, but I bet it does!
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Any more pics? And I hope that this is a gts thing because I would be super bummed since I already have ordered my m2. But gts would most likely be to expensive but that is the 235 racing body but not that it would be hard to switch.
I think they are featured on Bimmerpost somewhere too but here is he site I took them from.

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FWIW:
"I have heard that an M2 CSL is planned. From someone who's an engineer at BMW engine development."
"Ich hab gehört das ein M2 CSL geplant ist. Von einem der Ingenieur bei der BMW Motorenentwicklung ist."
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From someone who claims to have spoken to a test driver and also claims that he knew already for approx. 6 months that CF wheels were in the works for the M4 GTS:
"The S55 is already a long time inside the F87!
It's lapping the Nürburgring Nordschleife already for more than a year!"
"Den S55 gibt es schon lange im f87!
Der dreht schon über ein Jahr auf der NOS seine Runden!"

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"The M2 sporting the S55 was more than 8 seconds faster than the M4 on the Nürburgring Nordschleife!"
"der m2 mit s55 war auf der nos über 8 sekunden schneller als der m4!"
(source: here)
From the CAR interview with M2 project leader Frank Isenberg:
"The big question, of course, is how the M2 compares with M4, and which Isenberg prefers. «M2», he answers without hesitation. «I like the smaller cars. The M2 might even be faster through a tight slalom.» Or around the Nürburgring. Officially, the M2 is good for a 7min 58sec, the M4 a 7min 52sec. The 1M did 8min 15sec."
Quick math: 07m52s (M4) minus "more than 8s" = 07m43s or 07m44s for the M2 sporting the S55 engine. That's close to Cayman GT4 times (07m40s to 07m42s).
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It's going to be interesting to see what the service intervals are on the M2. In the UK the N55 in the Mx35i has a 2-year/18,000-mile service interval with no 1,000-mile run-in service. Given that the M2 has a hybrid N55/S55 with, officially, only another 45BHP it doesn't seem to merit a significantly different service interval, but I bet it does!
The User Manual (http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...ight=m2+manual) suggests that there will be 1,200 mile break-in. I think it's understandable given the hybrid parts approach.
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The User Manual (http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...ight=m2+manual) suggests that there will be 1,200 mile break-in. I think it's understandable given the hybrid parts approach.
Uhmmm not to be rude or such but... Who the hell passes another car at 250 km/h (Refering to the part "Use the maximum speed of 155 mph/250 km/h only briefly for example, when passing) I would shit bricks if someone passed me at those speeds
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Uhmmm not to be rude or such but... Who the hell passes another car at 250 km/h (Refering to the part "Use the maximum speed of 155 mph/250 km/h only briefly for example, when passing) I would shit bricks if someone passed me at those speeds
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