[243Racing]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Why do you say that? Weight advantage?

Heat. Cayman is NA.

[Lukeni]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

The video said the M2 CS as tested DCT with CCB = 3500 lbs

It weighed 94.7 lbs less than the M2 Competition.

Anyone know the weight savings with manual vs DCT on M2 Comp?

manual is 25 kg lighter than dkg (=55lbs)

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by BeastieBombRacing

Heat. Cayman is NA.

I don't know, the M2C has a really robust heat management system. I would think weight has more of a factor, if anything. The CS may in fact be a better track car. Again, i don't know, it's not out yet.

[243Racing]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

I don't know, the M2C has a really robust heat management system. I would think weight has more of a factor, if anything. The CS may in fact be a better track car. Again, i don't know, it's not out yet.

A better track car than a GT4? I would be really suprised and impressed if that was the case. I don't even think the M4 GTS cleared that bar.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

Why do you say that? Weight advantage?

That, and better tire management.

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by swagon

Google language translated review:

"Entrance start / finish, warm-up lap completed, now it counts. While the CS is chasing the start / finish straight, we quickly mention the lightweight carbon center console, which should also weigh 50 percent less. Also noteworthy CS details in the interior: the optional M sports steering wheel with a non-slip Alcantara cover and the M sports seats, which cry out for a quick lap with the optimum seating position and gripping side support.

But now focus on the lap time - the M2 CS has already taken the north curve with a smile and is now sprinting towards Turn 2. Boah, what a move. Fresher, scratched up and more motivated - the CS engine not only looks subjectively much more potent than the 410 HP competition engine. The M2 CS accelerates 2.3 seconds faster to 200 km / h than the M2 Competition.

Braking on Turn 2. Ideally, you brake late into the sharp right. Thanks to the mixture of the high grip level of the cup tires and the well-applied ABS control, you can brake into the curve much later with the M2 CS than with the M2 Competition, which is known to be the standard Michelin Pilot tires Super sports wear.

At the end of the parabolics, it also shows how well the cup tires and the ABS tuning harmonize. In the slightly rising and undulating braking zone, the top speed of 250 km / h up to 43 km / h at the apex of the hairpin. The M2 CS does the trick very well. In combination with the direct steering front axle, it is a great pleasure to thresh the Hardcore-M2 into the curve.

The CS steers right in, jagged - wonderful! One notices that the developers have once again adapted springs and adaptive dampers specifically for the CS.

Already during the turn-in process one should mentally prepare for a steering correction when accelerating out. Simply stepping on the gas from the apex does not work because the M2 CS tends to override performance. Also when accelerating out of turn 8 and then when turning left to right in turn 10, a sensitive gas foot is required.

Driving fun coordination
Direct steering with a crisp Sport-Plus hand torque meets a bright rear axle - even in the Motodrom, the agility of the M2 CS is somewhat reminiscent of an old-school sports car that demands a little talent on the steering wheel for a quick lap. With a slightly lower air pressure on the rear than on the front axle, the balance can be trimmed to a more neutral driving behavior. In the development, however, the decision was deliberately made to match driving fun.

Pit stop after the M2 CS set a fantastic lap time. At 1.54.8 minutes, he undercuts the lap time of the M2 Competition by 3.1 seconds. Big respect!"

So from this video I can only say that the only M2 worth buying is the M2 CS racing. The other one is absolutely not worth it. Once the Racing M2 is set up, it will likely be even faster by a few more seconds. Defo a big hit.

[medphysdave]

Unless the intent is to drive on the street. Then things become more complicated.

[2nd chance]

Originally Posted by BeastieBombRacing

It's on 18x10 square 513M wheels

Would those wheels fit any M2? Looking for a track setup...

[Flashstar]

It is necessary to test with a Cayman. He will humiliate their both.

Cayman GT4 level is better in dynamics. We tested at the Nürburgring with the Fastabast Team and compared. The new BMW CS is not much better than the stock version.

But the BMW test against BMW was a success, you can "sell". Many say that M2 after a Cayman is like moving from a go-kart to a tractor.

[243Racing]

Originally Posted by 2nd chance

Would those wheels fit any M2? Looking for a track setup...

I stand corrected, they're 18x10.5

With the right spacers/camber they will. Expect to pay about $600/ea, if you can get them.

Wheels/Tyres
• Cup version:
o 10.5x18 inch aluminium rims design 513M in matt black
o Tyres: MICHELIN slick 27/65-18 S9L
• 5-hole mounting
• Studs on the wheel hub for easy fitting

[brunodudo]

Originally Posted by rjd598

718 GT4: 1:53:90

M2 CS: 1:54:80

https://fastestlaps.com/tracks/hockenheim-gp

[rjd598]

Originally Posted by brunodudo

1:55:0 for the GT4 is coming from the same channel. I assume is the same driver.

If you clicked on the link you'll see the times I posted are by the same driver as well.

Trust M2 CS is not faster than a 718 GT4

[Ghostriderf80]

Originally Posted by SeanWRT

Sport Auto has been doing amazing jobs at Hockenheim-GP!

From the video, the M2 CS understeers quite a bit, albiet putting down an impressive laptime in the end.

There're about 6 secs in section 1 and some crazy ~20 seconds in section 2, where it's constantly on Full Throttle accelaration. Maximum speed is 250kph (gps data with a just 450ps car), not a lot of tracks anywhere in the world can do that. Other parts are mainly for low speed turn.

I do believe horsepower and mechanical grip (and tire of course) would make a huge difference.

Yup I saw the understeer too. Very disappointing considering the price of the car. I would go for the M2 Racing, at least you can really adjust it properly without having to spend another 10K on suspension work.

M2 Racing is also 80 PS down compared to the CS.

My driveway will defo have a Cayenne, 911 992 4s and a M2 Racing.... GT3 would likely be too expensive to track and its unlikely I could develop the right skills to drive it super fast.

[adc]

Is nobody here concerned that the M2 CS Racing is only 2.5 seconds faster? I was expecting a massive difference.

[CosmosMpower]

Race car vs. street car, what did you expect?

[243Racing]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Race car vs. street car, what did you expect?

A much bigger difference.

However, I believe this variant of the CS Racing only makes 280bhp, while the M2 CS makes 450bhp. So, being down almost 200bhp, and still being 2.5s faster, is nothing to sneeze at.

https://www.bmw-motorsport.com/en/to...cs-racing.html

[Bumpinjeep]

Originally Posted by BeastieBombRacing

A better track car than a GT4? I would be really suprised and impressed if that was the case. I don't even think the M4 GTS cleared that bar.

I honestly don't know. It would be pretty fun to see the difference, not just one lap, like a 30 minute session. People are so amazed by hero laps and don't get the full picture. Nobody goes to a HPDE even and does one lap, unless their car overheats (i'm looking at you C7 Z06!). Or even the Guilia QV, set a quick lap time until the cheater tires don't heat cycle properly and it goes into limp mode for one reason or another lol.

[EXE46]

Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep

I don't know, the M2C has a really robust heat management system. I would think weight has more of a factor, if anything. The CS may in fact be a better track car. Again, i don't know, it's not out yet.

That's a fallacy...GT4 is king in this class.

[Bumpinjeep]

Just for (you know what) and giggles, i decided to option out a Cayman GT4. Now, these were some light options that I think the car should have, being a GT Porsche and all. No Ceramic brakes or anything insane. $124K. That's a solid $40K more than the M2CS.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by omasou

Seems they forgot to give credit the the CCBs.

And what credit should they get?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

The video said the M2 CS as tested DCT with CCB = 3500 lbs

It weighed 94.7 lbs less than the M2 Competition.

Anyone know the weight savings with manual vs DCT on M2 Comp?

~55lb

[AUSf22]

Originally Posted by adc

Is nobody here concerned that the M2 CS Racing is only 2.5 seconds faster? I was expecting a massive difference.

M2 CS Racing has been detuned to 365hp vs the CS that 450hp! same torque at 550nm