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      01-07-2019, 07:27 PM   #45
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Perhaps they intentionally added the weight, so they can create the M2 CSL and claim a few hundred pound weight savings.
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Perhaps they intentionally added the weight, so they can create the M2 CSL and claim a few hundred pound weight savings.
combine that with detune and you start to realize they put shackles on it not to step all over m3 ... this car should have been lighter than og m2 if it is labeled "competition"
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IMO the OG M2 is the M2 to have If someone is getting an M2. The M2C doesn't add anything to the equation that's needed, in my eyes...
Having owned both....couldn't disagree more.
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None of this is surprising.. adding 8lbs a corner for bigger brakes shouldn't shock anyone. Exhaust is low down weight so doesn't really matter. I mean let's not forget it's got a bigger/more powerful engine. It would be nice if they offered cc brakes but they're trying to keep the cost more attractive. I just wish the back end looked better, it's the only thing stopping me on buying one.
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I thought most of the added weight was in the new grill. It's YOOHUGE.
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Perhaps they intentionally added the weight, so they can create the M2 CSL and claim a few hundred pound weight savings.
combine that with detune and you start to realize they put shackles on it not to step all over m3 ... this car should have been lighter than og m2 if it is labeled "competition"
Hehe... just to get your knickers in a twist.

Not much chance of competing with the M3 on track... the wheel base is similar (4.7 inches in it), with the M3/4 being less twitchy.

M3/4 is 80lbs lighter and almost 200lbs lighter than M2C.
Not to mention the optional CCBs or Titanium exhaust.
The heavier M2 with slightly shorter wheelbase puts more weight on the rear during initial acceleration from stand still.
Size is practically the same.... but the M3 is lighter.

M3 vs M2 (BMW USA)

Wheel base, length, width, height
M3: 110.7, 184.6, 73.9, 56.1
M2: 106.0, 176.2, 73.0, 55.5
Curb weight (bmw)
M3: 3575lbs
M2: 3655, (competition +55kg)

Acceleration
M3:
4.1sec manual transmission.
3.9sec dct transmission.

M2:
4.0sec manual transmission.
4.2sec automatic transmission.

(M2&M3 same gear ratios: 4.11, 2.32 manual)

Power:
M3: 425hp, 406ft/lbs
M2C: 405hp, 406ft/lbs

Top speed (both limited):
M3: 155mph
M2: 150mph


https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-mo...fications.html

https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-mo...fications.html

Having said all that, I LOVE the M2.
Great car for the price.
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Being heavier(..?) and having less power than M3, it should be slower on track. Which it is not.
It's actually just as fast or even faster in tests.

How can that be?;-)

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In my eyes, there's only one M2 BMW released.

This so called OG M2 is really a m240i+.
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In my eyes, there's only one M2 BMW released.

This so called OG M2 is really a m240i+.
Wow an M240+ You are the man! Amazing man! An Idol! High praises to you my lord for so knowing with mighty words ... or maybe you just want to lit up new fires like mine. Well you just did Dude! Really? The original M2 is the M2 and the M2C is the competition. Whatever your eyes see's, I'm glad I don't have em.

You are asking for it, so here it goes... and you drive a Hyundai?
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Perhaps they intentionally added the weight, so they can create the M2 CSL and claim a few hundred pound weight savings.
combine that with detune and you start to realize they put shackles on it not to step all over m3 ... this car should have been lighter than og m2 if it is labeled "competition"
Hehe... just to get your knickers in a twist.

Not much chance of competing with the M3 on track... the wheel base is similar (4.7 inches in it), with the M3/4 being less twitchy.

M3/4 is 80lbs lighter and almost 200lbs lighter than M2C.
Not to mention the optional CCBs or Titanium exhaust.
The heavier M2 with slightly shorter wheelbase puts more weight on the rear during initial acceleration from stand still.
Size is practically the same.... but the M3 is lighter.

M3 vs M2 (BMW USA)

Wheel base, length, width, height
M3: 110.7, 184.6, 73.9, 56.1
M2: 106.0, 176.2, 73.0, 55.5
Curb weight (bmw)
M3: 3575lbs
M2: 3655, (competition +55kg)

Acceleration
M3:
4.1sec manual transmission.
3.9sec dct transmission.

M2:
4.0sec manual transmission.
4.2sec automatic transmission.

(M2&M3 same gear ratios: 4.11, 2.32 manual)

Power:
M3: 425hp, 406ft/lbs
M2C: 405hp, 406ft/lbs

Top speed (both limited):
M3: 155mph
M2: 150mph


https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-mo...fications.html

https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-mo...fications.html

Having said all that, I LOVE the M2.
Great car for the price.
2017 Stock M2 (N55) DCT w/ Exec pkg , No driver , full tank of fuel ...
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Perhaps they intentionally added the weight, so they can create the M2 CSL and claim a few hundred pound weight savings.
combine that with detune and you start to realize they put shackles on it not to step all over m3 ... this car should have been lighter than og m2 if it is labeled "competition"
Hehe... just to get your knickers in a twist.

Not much chance of competing with the M3 on track... the wheel base is similar (4.7 inches in it), with the M3/4 being less twitchy.

M3/4 is 80lbs lighter and almost 200lbs lighter than M2C.
Not to mention the optional CCBs or Titanium exhaust.
The heavier M2 with slightly shorter wheelbase puts more weight on the rear during initial acceleration from stand still.
Size is practically the same.... but the M3 is lighter.

M3 vs M2 (BMW USA)

Wheel base, length, width, height
M3: 110.7, 184.6, 73.9, 56.1
M2: 106.0, 176.2, 73.0, 55.5
Curb weight (bmw)
M3: 3575lbs
M2: 3655, (competition +55kg)

Acceleration
M3:
4.1sec manual transmission.
3.9sec dct transmission.

M2:
4.0sec manual transmission.
4.2sec automatic transmission.

(M2&M3 same gear ratios: 4.11, 2.32 manual)

Power:
M3: 425hp, 406ft/lbs
M2C: 405hp, 406ft/lbs

Top speed (both limited):
M3: 155mph
M2: 150mph


https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-mo...fications.html

https://www.bmwusa.com/vehicles/m-mo...fications.html

Having said all that, I LOVE the M2.
Great car for the price.
I weighed my M2C 6MT with full tank and it was at 3563lbs. No way an M3/M4 is 200lbs lighter. I used to have an M4 Comp and it was over 3500lbs even with MPE (full tank). After replacing the stock brakes and wheels (with AP Racing BBK, 763M wheels, and 10mm spacers all around) on M2C, it was at 3494lbs (full tank again). With a single mid aftermarket exhaust such as AA I could probably drop another ~30lbs.
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In my eyes, there's only one M2 BMW released.

This so called OG M2 is really a m240i+.
It’s ok dude, you’re not alone. There are people who get confused because the can says “Chicken of the Sea” but there’s tuna inside.
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Extra 32lbs for the exhaust isn't that surprising to me considering dual downpipe, dual midpipe, and the fugly enormous muffler of M2C.

Here's some more weight info from BMW ETK:

OG M2 downpipe: 7.89lbs
OG M2 midpipe: 21.5lbs
OG M2 muffler: 24.78lbs

M2C downpipes (total weight of the two): 16.3lbs (8.4lbs difference compared to OG M2)

I don't have weight figures on M2C midpipe and muffler since BMW ETK hasn't released them yet but the following pics speak for themselves:

OG M2 midpipe:



M2C midpipe:



OG M2 muffler:



M2C muffler:

Good find. Looking at the diagrams it's easy to see why there's an extra 30+ pounds of weight in the exhaust. Add a pipe, resonator, and two cats and you're there.
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Sorry, but the 31 lb exhaust gain is all fat/no muscle.
Confirmed OPF is made of lard.
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In my eyes, there's only one M2 BMW released.

This so called OG M2 is really a m240i+.
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In my eyes, there's only one M2 BMW released.

This so called OG M2 is really a m240i+.


B58 > N55. so shouldn't it be M240- then?
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Why so many complaints about the exhaust? The M2C's S55 uses twin turbos so it will naturally require more exhaust components. Considering the healthy power bump over the N55, I don't see how anyone could complain. It's also mostly in the rear of the car which should help to balance out the heavier engine.

Brakes are probably overkill, though. If the base M3 can get by with the 4 piston calipers, then the M2C can as well. It definitely seems like a fairly large compromise in unsprung weight for what is largely a cosmetic upgrade for most people.
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Does Bmw now sell retrofit kit for 2NH brake set?
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Interesting comparison and not all that surprising. The exhaust weight difference is significant but it's really just the F80/F82 system. M2C is a good evolution and the weight gain is unavoidable.

My M2 weights 3379 with 1/2 tank fuel and me standing on the curb - post mods.
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Those debating aftermarket brakes - for the cost of kits such as AP racing, why not just swap factory carbon ceramic rotors to save weight?
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