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      03-24-2020, 02:58 PM   #23
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Because not everyone goes stop to stop light racing around town.
Also, I think that there is no way the tune touches either of those systems. Plus, I would never trust anyone other than BMW to touch the stability control. Way too much at risk for half ass tuning on a safety system.
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I stopped reading the original thread when the OP claimed "More importantly the cars stability and traction control systems are MUCH better."

How does a vehicle that's already severely traction-limited, due to its max 265 rear tires, improve with more power. :

There are exaggerations and then there's strait up lies, one I'm ok with but if you try to insult my intelligence, I take that personally. ✌🏻
Because not everyone goes stop to stop light racing around town.
How convenient..

So what's the point of claiming 600hp if the car can't put it down, yet, mention it for what, bragging rights?

All that power is just for cruising the boulevard?
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I stopped reading the original thread when the OP claimed "More importantly the cars stability and traction control systems are MUCH better."

How does a vehicle that's already severely traction-limited, due to its max 265 rear tires, improve with more power. :

There are exaggerations and then there's strait up lies, one I'm ok with but if you try to insult my intelligence, I take that personally. ✌🏻
Because not everyone goes stop to stop light racing around town.
How convenient..

So what's the point of claiming 600hp if the car can't put it down, yet, mention it for what, bragging rights?

All that power is just for cruising the boulevard?
What does convenience have to do with it?

My point was, it doesn't put it down stop light to stop light. Above that (e.g., the highway) it puts it down just fine. Also, a simple tire upgrade makes a significant difference.
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Because not everyone goes stop to stop light racing around town.
Also, I think that there is no way the tune touches either of those systems. Plus, I would never trust anyone other than BMW to touch the stability control. Way too much at risk for half ass tuning on a safety system.
I have never used any of the traction controls or driver aids in any of my m/// cars over the past couple decades.
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I stopped reading the original thread when the OP claimed "More importantly the cars stability and traction control systems are MUCH better."

How does a vehicle that's already severely traction-limited, due to its max 265 rear tires, improve with more power. :

There are exaggerations and then there's strait up lies, one I'm ok with but if you try to insult my intelligence, I take that personally. ✌🏻
Because not everyone goes stop to stop light racing around town.
How convenient..

So what's the point of claiming 600hp if the car can't put it down, yet, mention it for what, bragging rights?

All that power is just for cruising the boulevard?
What does convenience have to do with it?

My point was, it doesn't put it down stop light to stop light. Above that (e.g., the highway) it puts it down just fine. Also, a simple tire upgrade makes a significant difference.
When you're supposedly touching 600hp, even with the right 265s tires and a slick Active LSD, the fact is, it's only driven on the rear wheels, which means it could never properly put down power to the ground, of which that dyno is bragging about.

It's easier to hit those numbers in a controlled environment, than on the streets. I bet that doesn't translate into any meaningful times.

With that kind of power, AWD is the only option, so the thick torque curve could properly be harness to the tarmac or else it's a pointless exercise in burning out and possible overwhelming the limitations of the vehicle, to a lethal position.

This is why cars like the M5 and M8 comes X-Drive standard and has forgo their signature RWD platform, BMW is known for. With that kind of power, it's a different playing field.

At that juncture, the best you can hope for is they offer an AWD setup that's toggle-able to RWD and it's constructed with enough light-weight components, to offset the mass penalty, AWD drivetrain encompasses, however, its a necessary evil, at that powerband.
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I stopped reading the original thread when the OP claimed "More importantly the cars stability and traction control systems are MUCH better."

How does a vehicle that's already severely traction-limited, due to its max 265 rear tires, improve with more power. :

There are exaggerations and then there's strait up lies, one I'm ok with but if you try to insult my intelligence, I take that personally. ✌🏻
Because not everyone goes stop to stop light racing around town.
How convenient..

So what's the point of claiming 600hp if the car can't put it down, yet, mention it for what, bragging rights?

All that power is just for cruising the boulevard?
What does convenience have to do with it?

My point was, it doesn't put it down stop light to stop light. Above that (e.g., the highway) it puts it down just fine. Also, a simple tire upgrade makes a significant difference.
When you're supposedly touching 600hp, even with the right 265s tires and a slick Active LSD, the fact is, it's only driven on the rear wheels, which means it could never properly put down power to the ground, of which that dyno is bragging about.

It's easier to hit those numbers in a controlled environment, than on the streets. I bet that doesn't translate into any meaningful times.

With that kind of power, AWD is the only option, so the thick torque curve could properly be harness to the tarmac or else it's a pointless exercise in burning out and possible overwhelming the limitations of the vehicle, to a lethal position.

This is why cars like the M5 and M8 comes X-Drive standard and has forgo their signature RWD platform, BMW is known for. With that kind of power, it's a different playing field.

At that juncture, the best you can hope for is they offer an AWD setup that's toggle-able to RWD and it's constructed with enough light-weight components, to offset the mass penalty, AWD drivetrain encompasses, however, its a necessary evil, at that powerband.
Its like your ignoring my post. You are assuming you have to give 100% throttle from the get go and will never touch the interstate. If they modify power, isn't it possible they may modify the tires with 265/305 r888r or something of that nature? Controlled environment or not, it will put the power down just fine with upgraded tires. There is also a big difference between HP and WHP. BTW, have you been in a 600HP/WHP M3 or M2 with upgraded tires? How about any car at that number with sticky tires?
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Its like your ignoring my post. You are assuming you have to give 100% throttle from the get go and will never touch the interstate. If they modify power, isn't it possible they may modify the tires with 265/305 r888r or something of that nature? Controlled environment or not, it will put the power down just fine with upgraded tires. There is also a big difference between HP and WHP. BTW, have you been in a 600HP/WHP M3 or M2 with upgraded tires? How about any car at that number with sticky tires?
Check. Cup2, 295 wide, more than enough to start with at "only" 600hp. If you cannot handle the drama you should have picked an Audi to begin with anyway
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Its like your ignoring my post. You are assuming you have to give 100% throttle from the get go and will never touch the interstate. If they modify power, isn't it possible they may modify the tires with 265/305 r888r or something of that nature? Controlled environment or not, it will put the power down just fine with upgraded tires. There is also a big difference between HP and WHP. BTW, have you been in a 600HP/WHP M3 or M2 with upgraded tires? How about any car at that number with sticky tires?
Check. Cup2, 295 wide, more than enough to start with at "only" 600hp. If you cannot handle the drama you should have picked an Audi to begin with anyway
What are u rambling abt?
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What are u rambling abt?
No rambling intended, just confirming that 295mm/600hp works perfectly fine.
About the Audi remark, mind the smiley. I had fast Audi's.
And 3x an ///M, now a 2020 M2C
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What are u rambling abt?
No rambling intended, just confirming that 295mm/600hp works perfectly fine.
About the Audi remark, mind the smiley. I had fast Audi's.
And 3x an ///M, now a 2020 M2C
Oh lol. Ok.
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I call BS on the HP figure and the owner seems a bit like a tool.
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I call BS on the HP figure and the owner seems a bit like a tool.
This summarizes the last few Noelle threads. Deja Vu
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