[Artemis]

Originally Posted by 2nd chance

Heavy discounts= a new financial crisis on the way for 2020!?!
or... M needs totally new cars fast! Old cars, very old cars ! Bring on the new noses!

Financially, people started to spend less (often by necessity) or hunker down till prices drop to more affordable levels.

The car industry is currently also in turmoil because of the electrification and emissions regulations, a situation which also creates lots of hesitation among potential customers ("what if my expensive new high performance car gets heavily taxed by authorities in the near future, or, worse, gets banned to move around inside my city ?").

We cannot predict the future, but these stats are a bad omen for 2020. As I commented: fasten your seat belts for 2020, folks. Looks like storm is coming.

And the list pictured below of German press headlines (currently making rounds on Facebook) is sobering for 2020 expectations:

[DroneandDone]

Originally Posted by babym2

which is abysmal, a 18 gt350 with 25k miles has a 42k kbb trade in value, still higher than my M2

I do agree that it is not great but it was less than the kbb trade in value. the instant cash offer is a real offer based on my vin and a local dealer ready to buy it at that price. I'm sure the instant cash offer for the gt350 would be lower too. off topic, sorry, I just wanted to clarify that.

[PilotxERAU]

Originally Posted by amrk47

the M2C killed the resale of the M2

The M2C actually helped the OG M2. Many are picking the lighter better sounding OG over the cow udder porker fart box.

[1mm2]

Originally Posted by PilotxERAU

The M2C actually helped the OG M2. Many are picking the lighter better sounding OG over the cow udder porker fart box.

History will not be kind to that udder...

[supersam]

Originally Posted by PilotxERAU

The M2C actually helped the OG M2. Many are picking the lighter better sounding OG over the cow udder porker fart box.

Agree! If i was looking to get into one I'd want the n55

[jkoral]

Money no object, I would buy a brand new M2C. But a slightly used (under 10K) 2017-18 OG M2 hit the sweet spot for me.

[PilotxERAU]

Originally Posted by jkoral

Money no object, I would buy a brand new M2C. But a slightly used (under 10K) 2017-18 OG M2 hit the sweet spot for me.

Money no object and you buy an M2C!?

[heavyD^2]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

I thought the same thing, I mean, it stands to reason. But the fact is that it just didn't. MANY people prefer the OG M2 to the M2C, including myself.

The OG M2 is more of a raw car for people that lean to the way cars drove in the past before electronics did most of the heavy lifting. Road & Track did a good comparison.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...n-quick-drive/

Is the M2 Competition a better M2? Depends on what you’re looking for. I think it’s fairer to say it’s a different M2. Both cars are fantastic to drive, and both have their own distinct characters. The Competition is more capable, that’s for sure, but it loses some of its rawness to the old M2. It’s a more complete M car, better able to play that dual-role of fun sports car and luxury commuter—if you’re only going to have one car in your garage, it’d be the one to get. The normal M2 is less refined, but ultimately more fun on a twisty back road. You’re doing more behind the wheel than in the Competition model; it needs you. You feel just that little bit more involved.

So the M2C is a faster more refined car that is closer to F80 M4 while the OG M2 leans more to 1M. Both great cars and just a matter of personal preference. There are no losers here.

[AlpsRider]

I can tell you that on a canyon run that the M2C will obliterate an OG M2. Sure you can mod the OG to be faster but a simple $550. BM3 tune on the M2C and all bets are off.

[GerardzM]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

I can tell you that on a canyon run that the M2C will obliterate an OG M2. Sure you can mod the OG to be faster but a simple $550. BM3 tune on the M2C and all bets are off.

Certainly depends on extent of mods but yes, tune for tune/ stock for stock the M2c is faster....why restate what is already known?

This is not a measuring contest?

[TemjinX2]

for me i didnt think the m2c was $20k better then a lightly used og m2 for $40kish.

i did the math and the cost of a m2c lease, i can pretty much pay off 3/4 of a og m2. i figured if i really wanted big power i can just buy one of those big turbo swap kits and have 600-700whp.

i think for daily driving and the canyons...a fbo og m2 in 6spd is fun enough.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by GerardzM

Certainly depends on extent of mods but yes, tune for tune/ stock for stock the M2c is faster....why restate what is already known?

This is not a measuring contest?

Probably because I see M2C haters in this thread. I just stated facts. People shouldn't compare the price if a new M2C to a used OGM2 that's just crazy. There are used M2C cars out there. There is one thread where they are even selling new M2Cs at below invoice. Let's talk logic and not stack the deck.

[greasypeanut]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

I can tell you that on a canyon run that the M2C will obliterate an OG M2. Sure you can mod the OG to be faster but a simple $550. BM3 tune on the M2C and all bets are off.

put lewis hamilton or even randy pobst in a base 2er and id bet theyd pass most people in their m2c with bm3 a quarter way down that canyon run

i bought my og m2 new in 2016, the m2c wasnt worth changing just for the engine. the upcoming m2, even with a b series engine would be worth it so im glad to hear that the og is holding its value better than expected. i imagine plenty of people with a m2c will jumping ship as well. s engine or not, a good amount of people just want the latest and greatest.

[1mm2]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

I can tell you that on a canyon run that the M2C will obliterate an OG M2. Sure you can mod the OG to be faster but a simple $550. BM3 tune on the M2C and all bets are off.

How do you define "obliterate"?

[PilotxERAU]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Probably because I see M2C haters in this thread. I just stated facts. People shouldn't compare the price if a new M2C to a used OGM2 that's just crazy. There are used M2C cars out there. There is one thread where they are even selling new M2Cs at below invoice. Let's talk logic and not stack the deck.

Because of the farting lawnmower.

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by PilotxERAU

Because of the farting lawnmower.

12 year old comment. I rest my case.
I've been in the canyons with modded OG M2s. The M2C has a lot more torque which many people overlook. In the canyons it is all about torque. You need acceleration between the twisties. It is impressive how the M2C pulls away in those situations.

[GerardzM]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Probably because I see M2C haters in this thread. I just stated facts. People shouldn't compare the price if a new M2C to a used OGM2 that's just crazy. There are used M2C cars out there. There is one thread where they are even selling new M2Cs at below invoice. Let's talk logic and not stack the deck.

I do agree, and never condone some of the childish behavior exhibited by fellow members.

Just a never ending cycle it seems. Do you recall the whole, not a real M car? That elitist mentality is still well and alive....but some of us ignore all that nonsense.

I do my best to not "feed the trolls" regardless of who its from.


As a side note, pretty sure I had some kid in 228i dump boost right next to me today.......with his retrofited M2 front bumper

[BroDoze]

So how is the M2 so much more raw than an M2C? What exactly makes such a drastic difference here?

[pruettfan]

Originally Posted by greasypeanut

put lewis hamilton or even randy pobst in a base 2er and id bet theyd pass most people in their m2c with bm3 a quarter way down that canyon run

i bought my og m2 new in 2016, the m2c wasnt worth changing just for the engine. the upcoming m2, even with a b series engine would be worth it so im glad to hear that the og is holding its value better than expected. i imagine plenty of people with a m2c will jumping ship as well. s engine or not, a good amount of people just want the latest and greatest.

Either one of those guys would own any of us in pretty much any car in the first two corners. I have rode along with several pro drivers including a 5 time 24 Hour of Daytona Champion and the gap between a solid amateur with proper training and a pro is insane.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by pruettfan

Either one of those guys would own any of us in pretty much any car in the first two corners. I have rode along with several pro drivers including a 5 time 24 Hour of Daytona Champion and the gap between a solid amateur with proper training and a pro is insane.

I can agree with the comparison. One time I got smoked by AMA Superbike Pro Shawn Higbee AND his girlfriend at Autoclub Speedway in Fontana, CA......and I'm not a slow rider. He was blazing fast, and despite his accomplishments he's low on the AMA Superbike rung. I can't even imagine how big the gap is between him and a MotoGP rider.

[1mm2]

Originally Posted by pruettfan

Either one of those guys would own any of us in pretty much any car in the first two corners. I have rode along with several pro drivers including a 5 time 24 Hour of Daytona Champion and the gap between a solid amateur with proper training and a pro is insane.

Yup, bringing up a comparison with those guys is pretty much irrelevant.

[termigni]

Originally Posted by amrk47

my 18 m2 with 25k miles trade in value is 39k according to kbb, a 19 m2 with 25k miles is 48k trade in value

No one uses KBB to actually price used cars.