[1mm2]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

poor guy

Maybe someone can get you a tissue?

[D22M2]

Originally Posted by 1mm2

Exactly, when the F80 M3 first came out I thought putting 4 wheels on a barge does not make an M car, irrelevant of the S moniker. It's just an opinion...

Lol- it’s a boat for sure. I miss my f80m3 0%

[Hankdoll]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Honestly it's because let's be honest the original M2 was not a true M car. The engine, side mirrors, and other things is what I and most think why it shouldn't be classified as one.

I've read my US e36 M3 is not a true M car too, despite S engine, M side mirrors, etc. Apparently my OG M2 isn't either, but for different reasons. I just can't win.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by Hankdoll

I've read my US e36 M3 is not a true M car too, despite S engine, M side mirrors, etc. Apparently my OG M2 isn't either, but for different reasons. I just can't win.

Sucks right? I guess life is never fair...

[backmotor]

WHY?

[RocketTR]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Honestly it's because let's be honest the original M2 was not a true M car. The engine, side mirrors, and other things is what I and most think why it shouldn't be classified as one. On the other hand the M2C is what the M2 should have been from the very beginning. If you don't agree with this it's because you're in denial or you own an OG M2.

I don't agree with you at all and it's not because I'm in denial. I don't even own an M2 at all.

Here's why the OG M2 is a real M car---because BMW says it is. Just because they improved on the OG M2 with the M2C doesn't mean the M2 isn't an M car. Just as the M2CS won't make the M2C any less of an M car when it comes out. Your logic (if we can even call it that) is flawed.

[RocketTR]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

I'm pretty sure you're the ONLY person that thinks that way. Nice try...

Not really. After owning an E36 M3 and an E46 M3, I lost interest when the M3 kept getting larger and heavier. Today's M3 doesn't interest me at all. Too big, too heavy. Not my idea of fun.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by RocketTR

I don't agree with you at all and it's not because I'm in denial. I don't even own an M2 at all.

Here's why the OG M2 is a real M car---because BMW says it is. Just because they improved on the OG M2 with the M2C doesn't mean the M2 isn't an M car. Just as the M2CS won't make the M2C any less of an M car when it comes out. Your logic (if we can even call it that) is flawed.

Of course BMW is gonna say its an M car, because they're selling it. The OG M2 was made as an attempt to test a different market and they succeeded in how well they sold hence they immediately upgraded to the M2C in only 2 years. The proof is in the pudding. The M2C was supposed to be the original M2 but BMW didn't want to go all in at first. THEN they made it the way it was supposed to. That's not just logic that's facts.

[1mm2]

Originally Posted by D22M2

Lol- it’s a boat for sure. I miss my f80m3 0%

Of course it is, this is why I don't respect it.

[Hankdoll]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

The M2C was supposed to be the original M2 but BMW didn't want to go all in at first. THEN they made it the way it was supposed to. That's not just logic that's facts.

That's fact? I thought the move to the S55 was due to emissions. Tell me more.

[Yvette]

Well, real m2 or not it dont matter. All the new generations M3 and all this CS marketing dont interest me anymore. I am just gonna enjoy my current og m2 and e92 m3. When its time, I am going to P cars.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

I respect the M2C not the M2.

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Uuuhh nobody, that's why it's called a forum. People say feedback and opinions all the time. Whether you let the opinions get to you is another thing.

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Honestly it's because let's be honest the original M2 was not a true M car. The engine, side mirrors, and other things is what I and most think why it shouldn't be classified as one. On the other hand the M2C is what the M2 should have been from the very beginning. If you don't agree with this it's because you're in denial or you own an OG M2.

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

You gonna make me leave?

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Sucks right? I guess life is never fair...

It seems that you fail to understand the point that several of us are trying to get across. As in human relations, we cannot force you to 'love' or 'like' a person. But we can request, and even order you, to pay 'respect'.

Failure to comply with the fundamental value of respect is often the fuel of illegitimate discrimination of all sorts. And the adjectives "pure" and "true" are often abused as semantics pretext to mask ill-founded pseudo-elitism of the condescending type, disregarding objective aspects for reasons unrelated to merits.

BMW and BMW M categorized the M2 in the ///M class. It's their decision. Learn to accept this and pay respect. And if you can't, work on it - it may make you a better person.

[DanG]

Originally Posted by Hankdoll

That's fact? I thought the move to the S55 was due to emissions. Tell me more.

The M2C was due entirely to emissions. BMW was forced into putting the S55 engine into the M2.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by Hankdoll

That's fact? I thought the move to the S55 was due to emissions. Tell me more.

JUST emissions? Now you tell me more...

[infinitekidM2C]

People are generally more interested in talking about what they have. Don't take it too seroiusly

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by Artemis

It seems that you fail to understand the point that several of us are trying to get across. As in human relations, we cannot force you to 'love' or 'like' a person. But we can request, and even order you, to pay 'respect'.

Failure to comply with the fundamental value of respect is often the fuel of illegitimate discrimination of all sorts. And the adjectives "pure" and "true" are often abused as semantics pretext to mask ill-founded pseudo-elitism of the condescending type, disregarding objective aspects for reasons unrelated to merits.

This is getting way out of hand and a bit dramatic. To say to the extent I'm being disrespectful? I replied with the so called ill-founded pseudo-elitism because of his reply that you can say had the same intent if you read carefully. What's funny is this feels like internet bullying. Since some of you don't like my opinion it's made to be another way. I respect everybody's opinion so in return I expect the same. The fact that this has gotten to this level is mind boggling and with a bad taste in my mouth.

Lastly I say this with the utmost decency and respect, but you saying that I need to work on being a better person by showing respect (which I never disrespected anyone) I don't think is the best way to handle things. Just my 2 cents.

[DanG]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

JUST emissions? Now you tell me more...

The N55 did not pass the 2019 European emissions. They decided to fix the S55 and use it in two Ms instead of fixing both the N55 and the S55. A well documented fact. Also explains why there was no M2 base in 2019.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by DanG

The N55 did not pass the 2019 European emissions. They decided to fix the S55 and use it in two Ms instead of fixing both the N55 and the S55. A well documented fact. Also explains why there was no M2 base in 2019.

No granted I know that was an issue, but If I remember correctly the head of the M division was interviewed about the M2 and stated that with wanting to improve the M2C they wanted to give it the proper M engine as well so they killed two birds with one stone.

[ZeroFx]

Originally Posted by bentom2

There are also those of us that rushed out to buy an OG M2 as soon as the specs of the M2C were released. I wasn’t planning to buy a car last June, but after reviewing the updates that came with the M2C, and because I wanted a new one that no one else had abused, I pushed up my purchase plans while there was still inventory.

-150lbs lighter
-better seats (thigh extension is more comfortable for me, and adjustable headrest means I can run harnesses without replacing seats)
-better engine sounds
-ability to run 18" wheels for better track tire selection

For me, those things made it more of an M car than an engine code that starts with an S. The side mirrors are a very recent M thing. Not much heritage to the mirrors to be credible as a requirement for M status. Same for the power bulge in the hood...

None of those things are true.

55kg.
M4 seats are way better for the average driver and race drivers run buckets.
S55 isnt debatable about being better than N55
You can run 18's on both cars in most markets.

[tranck]

Originally Posted by ZeroFx

None of those things are true.

55kg.
M4 seats are way better for the average driver and race drivers run buckets.
S55 isnt debatable about being better than N55
You can run 18's on both cars in most markets.

You didn't address the sound of each car.

If you think the S55 sounds better than the N55, I really don't know what to tell you.

I've sat in both cars - the OG M2 seats were more comfortable to me - just my opinion.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by D22M2

Lol- it’s a boat for sure. I miss my f80m3 0%

You do realize the M2C weighs about the same as the F80 M3...

[GerardzM]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

No granted I know that was an issue, but If I remember correctly the head of the M division was interviewed about the M2 and stated that with wanting to improve the M2C they wanted to give it the proper M engine as well so they killed two birds with one stone.

Spot on.....aside from BMW throwing a bigger turbo to get more power(not fuel efficient/would def. not meet emmission ), the N55 was done.

So it was easiest for them to just throw the s55 in there and call it a day.