[TemjinX2]

Originally Posted by jkoral

I "settled" for a used 2017 M2 CPO from a local dealer (6MT, 9K miles). Same dealer the car was originally bought and serviced at. Although I would prefer bone stock, I immediately noticed it had the painted IND gills and front reflectors, a black M2 badge, as well as the M Performance black grill. (Only thing I don't like is the black M2 badge, I've thought about going back to stock Chrome).

I decided against a 2018 non-CPO at a non-BMW dealer 500 miles away. Although I preferred the LCI it just felt safer to buy a CPO from a local dealer.

My big fear was a nightmare like this: https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1491357

its another reason not to buy from the mom and pop dealerships. All the mom and pops are more expensive then going to a bmw dealership and negotiating a price, unless there salvage title or rebuilt cars.

[VisualEcho]

I bought my M2 used on August 31st. The car is in great condition, but the dealer I bought it from wasn't a BMW dealer, and they have several things they do that are pretty stupid. One is that they change the oil, which didn't need to be changed, and they put the wrong kind of oil in it. The second thing is they put new tires on it, which it didn't need, and the new ones aren't as good as the old ones. Other than that I think I did pretty well, and got exactly what I wanted. If I like the new Comp model it'd be different, I would have bought new, but I just don't like the changes made.

[Rxkenny]

People are naturally deceptive? That's a broad brush ..

Of course there's always someone trying to hustle.. or hide something in a sale but I personally would disclose everything with the sale of my m2. Wouldn't be cool having somebody call you months after a sale with complaints or issues.

That being said ... I leased a new m3 that was damaged off the truck.. repainted.. then never disclosed at the dealership.. wasn't until a few years later when re-selling .. another dealer caught the paint/ repair job. So we should trust the "new" car guys more? Deception lies at all levels.. but I still like to feel not everyone is hiding something.. there are some good guys out there that take care of their cars.. and are honest

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Rxkenny

there are some good guys out there that take care of their cars.. and are honest

I would love to live in your world, it must be nice..

Not saying they're not "good guys" in the world I might have even met a few but it only takes one bad guy to ruin your day. Better safe than sorry.

[Rxkenny]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I would love to live in your world, it must be nice..

Not saying they're not "good guys" in the world I might have even met a few but it only takes one bad guy to ruin your day. Better safe than sorry.

Same world, different perspective.. if it takes only 1 a -hole (and there are many) to ruin your day that's a lot of life you let someone else determine your happiness

Either way— the M makes life a little better
Good luck out there

[rich8566]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

I bought my M2 used on August 31st. The car is in great condition, but the dealer I bought it from wasn't a BMW dealer, and they have several things they do that are pretty stupid. One is that they change the oil, which didn't need to be changed, and they put the wrong kind of oil in it. The second thing is they put new tires on it, which it didn't need, and the new ones aren't as good as the old ones. Other than that I think I did pretty well, and got exactly what I wanted. If I like the new Comp model it'd be different, I would have bought new, but I just don't like the changes made.

Whenever I buy a pre owned vehicle I never worry about brakes and tires. Both are easy to replace and I always change out the tires no matter what. I never want to trust my life with used tires.

[akkando]

I think people who assumes the worst of others as a general rule of thumb are that way because they themselves on the inside know they might do something shady if the opportunity presents itself.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by akkando

I think people who assumes the worst of others as a general rule of thumb are that way because they themselves on the inside know they might do something shady if the opportunity presents itself.

Or maybe they just live in the real world and realize how shitty some people can truly be, if you let your guard down.

It's about perspective; I am sure a cop that works the gritty streets and interact with the riffraffs everyday is going have a different outlook on people, than a rich, socialite who is pampered and have not in tune or have an prior experience with society.

If I sell something, I am very honest with any flaws or changes. I would hate to deceive anyone who's putting their trust in me and money in my pocket. However, it's not always a two-way street because you could never know what truly in someone's heart.

From my early school days of reading Aesop's fables, I learn that it's better to not trust anyone because you never know who's the fox or who's is the crow.

[1mm2]

доверяй, но проверяй

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by akkando

I think people who assumes the worst of others as a general rule of thumb are that way because they themselves on the inside know they might do something shady if the opportunity presents itself.

The car business is rough man, I worked in it for 4 years, and lots of shady things happen to make that extra buck.

Lucky for me all the brakes were replaced by a BMW dealer, and the tires were actually replaced with (I didn't know at the time) OEM Conti 3's (I thought all the M2's came with MPSS). So I'm good now, but there were very few miles on the car, and it was owned by a girl, so I got lucky there.

[LVI]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Ever so often, I look up the going prices of LCI M2s to see if it's worth a trade up, maybe even snag one with a sunroof but after a few stories l've read here about user modifications and just the general demographic of the folks that purchase the M2, it makes me rethink the idea of buying a model like this used.

A good example is I found a "2018" M2 for sale with 'no modifications,' which should be the LCI with the LED taillights and headlights but check out the photo below and you'll notice it's apparently retrofitted with pre-LCI taillights, incandescent bulbs.

It's not a big deal that it has old taillights, as they are cheap to replace but it makes you wonder what other secrets this vehicle might be holding..

Due to these discoveries, I've decided that I'm either buying new or nothing at all.

You seem easily triggered. Perhaps it would be easier to find a BMW dealer with a "safe space" and buy new.

That aside, those pictures are not of a US market car. Look at the cars parked next to it in the 2nd picture (also not US market), and the shape of the license plate. Probably pulled some generic pictures of the internet.

Have you actually had a conversation with whomever is advertising it? It's either a scammer or a private seller who was too lazy to go and take a few quality pictures of the car. Oh and most of these cars should be fine to buy used. Look for no mods, condition, no accidents, mileage, etc and you should be fine.

[LuvMyE92]

Originally Posted by 1mm2

доверяй, но проверяй

Well said.

Originally Posted by lawrence1

That aside, those pictures are not of a US market car.

My thought as well.

Two other things:

1) Not everyone who tracks the car beats the crap out of it. I'm an old fart and I drive like an old fart. I drive smoothly, never hit the rev limiter and the car is always thoroughly warmed up before I go past 3000 RPM. But there is a VIR sticker on my car, because it's been there. Once.

2) I've done multiple BMW Performance Center events, beating the ever-lovin' crap out of their cars. These M cars can take it.

I tried to find a nice used one when I was shopping, but at the time the market was a bit tight and the private sellers that I contacted either did not respond or took several days to respond, by which point I had given up on them and bought new.

[rtr76]

Maybe, just maybe, he changed lights for older ones, because he was out of warranty and found cheaper and more robust solution. Why? My almost 1,5 years old M2 LCI has TWICE changed same LED taillight. Common issue of LCI btw.

Bye, Roman

Originally Posted by Moflow

Uhh, yeah, i'm not sure why some are giving you a hard time. I'd 100 percent run the fuck away from that car.

Retrofitting older taillights seems like a pretty big red flag to me. You don't just do that. Nobody does that. Its a pain in the butt for something 99.9 percent of people won't notice. Its a "My shit was broken and this was the cheapest way i could fix it" modification. Now, that car might be totally fine other than that, but it also kinda makes me question the attitude of the previous owner.

[sapbasis5150]

When I purchased my CPO '18 M2, I passed on several excellent deals due to modifications. I want a bone stock car with a documented history and some factory warranty first. Then, I'll make the decision to modify it and drive it hard. New or used, cars can and do come with issues - My brand new '17 TTS was damaged at the selling dealership and fixed. Only found out about it when the transmission went and the repaired paint began to fail. Needless to say, that is why I have the M2 now after a factory buy-back.

[AlpsRider]

Even if you buy a used car that is bone stock there is no guarantee that someome didn't remove all mods before the sale. Personally I'd never buy a used late model enthusiast type track friendly car unless I knew the owner. I've seen too many part out threads on this forum for lease returns on cars that were tracked to death.

[MiamiM235iEstorilBlue]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

Even if you buy a used car that is bone stock there is no guarantee that someome didn't remove all mods before the sale. Personally I'd never buy a used late model enthusiast type track friendly car unless I knew the owner. I've seen too many part out threads on this forum for lease returns on cars that were tracked to death.

Always a fear of mine. You just cant really know if the car was modded to near death and then all the parts swapped back.
I do try to look for hints of mods under the hood like screws clearly having been tampered with, etc. Its not that easy though.
The best method I can come up with is to get to know the seller, have some good conversations, learn the full history of the car and try to gauge if they seem honest. Usually, older seller means less likely to mod, in my experience.

[junx]

Bought a used E46 M3 before and it was a pain not fully knowing how it was taken care of before. Decided to buy my M2 new instead of CPO. Gives some peace of mind...

[Draker]

Before buying a used car, it is imperative to check the Vin Code. This decoder will help you avoid buying a stolen car or a broken one. You just need to know where is the best vin check? You know?

[JDPHOTOS]

Picking up a 2017 M2 sapphire black with 10500 miles in 2 weeks can't wait, first step will be to get it detailed and decontaminated and ceramic coated

[hson10]

As many others in this thread, I also purchased my M2 used from a non-BMW dealer here in the United States.
I think I must have looked at 50+ cars in my search, as I specifically wanted a 2017 or 2018 MY, no sunroof, 6MT, and Long Beach Blue with exec pack.
This car came up for sale literally 2,200 mi away from me (I'm in California and the car was in Minnesota, but initially the car seemed to check all the boxes. I had the dealer send me a video walk around of the car, and then once I ran the VIN and reviewed the video, I paid for and arranged for the local BMW dealer to come get the car and do an in-depth PPI. They sent me everything from condition of the undercarriage, brake pad and rotor condition, and even the NBT version (wanted to make sure it had CarPlay), along with detailed photos of each item I requested. Another big thing for me was the previous owner tuning the car, so I had the dealership check for that as well (they said they can see what the max boost level was? not quite sure how accurate that is, but they assured me it wasn't tuned previously). Knowing all this info, I felt more confident in my used car purchase and decided to pull the trigger. At just a hair over $40K before tax/title/reg, I felt like it was a good deal for a clean title car with 20,900 mi in a spec that I wanted.

All this to say - please get a PPI from a trusted place if possible before making a large used car purchase. Also, @OP, the car you posted is definitely strange - pre-LCI tails, but definitely has the LCI non exec pack headlights? I don't think anybody would be crazy enough to retrofit this on their pre-LCI, it's usually the other way around (LCI tails with pre-LCI headlights)

[Vivek.]

Originally Posted by hson10

As many others in this thread, I also purchased my M2 used from a non-BMW dealer here in the United States.
I think I must have looked at 50+ cars in my search, as I specifically wanted a 2017 or 2018 MY, no sunroof, 6MT, and Long Beach Blue with exec pack.
This car came up for sale literally 2,200 mi away from me (I'm in California and the car was in Minnesota, but initially the car seemed to check all the boxes. I had the dealer send me a video walk around of the car, and then once I ran the VIN and reviewed the video, I paid for and arranged for the local BMW dealer to come get the car and do an in-depth PPI. They sent me everything from condition of the undercarriage, brake pad and rotor condition, and even the NBT version (wanted to make sure it had CarPlay), along with detailed photos of each item I requested. Another big thing for me was the previous owner tuning the car, so I had the dealership check for that as well (they said they can see what the max boost level was? not quite sure how accurate that is, but they assured me it wasn't tuned previously). Knowing all this info, I felt more confident in my used car purchase and decided to pull the trigger. At just a hair over $40K before tax/title/reg, I felt like it was a good deal for a clean title car with 20,900 mi in a spec that I wanted.

All this to say - please get a PPI from a trusted place if possible before making a large used car purchase. Also, @OP, the car you posted is definitely strange - pre-LCI tails, but definitely has the LCI non exec pack headlights? I don't think anybody would be crazy enough to retrofit this on their pre-LCI, it's usually the other way around (LCI tails with pre-LCI headlights)

As someone else suggested, the pics were likely taken from a European car based on the lights, plate, and vehicles around it. Lazy and maybe sketchy on the part of the seller, but what an extrapolation to take ONE bad ad and conclude "one should never buy a used m2". It wasn't even a bad car that he saw or a bad seller that he talked to, just one slight discrepancy that most wouldn't notice.

Additionally, tracked doesn't necessarily mean driven hard (it took me 4 track days to push my car hard, and even then I'm pushing a it fraction of what a pro driver would), and driven hard isn't the end of the world for an M2.

I genuinely feel sorry for the OP and his dismal outlook on the world. But please, keep buying cars new since they're worth 2/3 of MSRP after 5k miles. Gives me a steady flow of cars to enjoy without tying up as much cash.

[dolechiw]

PPI for the win, well said. I was able to negotiate down 10% from asking and I believe the items noted played a huge part but also gave me confidence in what I was or was not receiving in terms of value. A year later and couldn't be happier with my purchase.