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      06-23-2019, 08:22 PM   #1
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      06-23-2019, 08:24 PM   #2
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In the real world, all the Tesla is going below the speed limit trying to maximize range
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S55 is one of the most overrated engines around - time to do better BMW
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      06-23-2019, 09:02 PM   #4
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S55 is one of the most overrated engines around - time to do better BMW
Eh we all know M cars aren't designed for straight line performance. I'd like to see these cars around the track for a few laps
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      06-23-2019, 09:59 PM   #5
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That's Chris Harris' personal M3 which is a manual. The other three are autos. It wasn't really a race of equals.
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S55 is one of the most overrated engines around - time to do better BMW
That's Chris Harris' personal M3 which is a manual. The other three are autos. It wasn't really a race of equals.
To be honest the tire pressure could be off as well. Heck, Chris Harris is known for his sideways actions; M3 tires could be bald for all we know.
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S55 is one of the most overrated engines around - time to do better BMW
That's Chris Harris' personal M3 which is a manual. The other three are autos. It wasn't really a race of equals.
To be honest the tire pressure could be off as well. Heck, Chris Harris is known for his sideways actions; M3 tires could be bald for all we know.
Sorry, let me clarify. I don't think the result would be that different, just that it's not necessarily Apples to Apples. I still wholly expect the result to be the same just the F80 not to lose by that much.
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I think the main point to take away from this is..........electric cars are only going to get that much better.

We're still in our infancy stage with electric vehicles when compared to our time with the I.C.E.
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I think the main point to take away from this is..........electric cars are only going to get that much better.

We're still in our infancy stage with electric vehicles when compared to our time with the I.C.E.
Don't exaggerate dawg. It's physics.
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Eh we all know M cars aren't designed for straight line performance. I'd like to see these cars around the track for a few laps
Alfa is the best for track. It's the best out of these cars for a driver's car, but I don't trust Fiat for reliability.
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Alfa is the best for track. It's the best out of these cars for a driver's car, but I don't trust Fiat for reliability.
LOL What? I would pick M3 ZCP over the Alfa for the track, the M is faster around corners. I would also pick the car with a manual transmission as the best 'driver's car.' You're right about the reliability though.
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None of those cars can touch the Alfa for handling. As said above it's by far the best drivers car let down only by shoddy reliability.
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Alfa is the best for track. It's the best out of these cars for a driver's car, but I don't trust Fiat for reliability.
LOL What? I would pick M3 ZCP over the Alfa for the track, the M is faster around corners. I would also pick the car with a manual transmission as the best 'driver's car.' You're right about the reliability though.
Alfa is faster in a straight line and in corners. Drive it yourself or read the numerous auto mag comparisons. It's about 10 seconds faster around nurburgring.
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Alfa is faster in a straight line and in corners. Drive it yourself or read the numerous auto mag comparisons. It's about 10 seconds faster around nurburgring.
Actually, par for the course, the Nurburgring time is a massive outlier for the Giulia QV.

Compared to OG M2

Anglesey:
Alfa: 1:41.55
OGM2: 1:40.68

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OGM2: 1:22.73

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Alfa: 1:37.37
OGM2: 1:37.65
M2C: 1:37.15

I think the Alfa is wonderfully great. But those Nurburgring times are always fiction these days.
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Alfa is faster in a straight line and in corners. Drive it yourself or read the numerous auto mag comparisons. It's about 10 seconds faster around nurburgring.
Almost bought one, twice. Driven it plenty of times.
The Nurburgring times were never proven or hell even came close to, by any third party. When asked to provide a car, Alfa is always says no. I'm guessing that the most likely scenario is similar to what Honda did with the Civic Type R (fitted a roll cage, slicks, other little tricks) to get a good N-Ring lap time.
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Not around here. I think they don't care about range, they just recharge at home to full every night.
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Alfa is the best for track. It's the best out of these cars for a driver's car, but I don't trust Fiat for reliability.
LOL What? I would pick M3 ZCP over the Alfa for the track, the M is faster around corners. I would also pick the car with a manual transmission as the best 'driver's car.' You're right about the reliability though.
Alfa is faster in a straight line and in corners. Drive it yourself or read the numerous auto mag comparisons. It's about 10 seconds faster around nurburgring.
Yeah.... check the tires though....
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