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      09-21-2016, 07:38 PM   #67
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This is the one "M-omission" that I wanted most. It looks absolutely amazing & I'm shocked how big a difference it makes.
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How could BMW have pocketed money from what is normally a no cost option ?

Is an opportunity actually " missed "
When one weighs (literally) the pros and cons and then makes an educated decision ? It's not like BMW didn't realize they could put a CF roof on a car. ...
There's always a cost even when it's a "no cost" option. What I'm saying is that some people will buy this RKP roof and also pay the install fees - that's called an opportunity cost for BMW. They could have offered this at least as a cost option for those willing to pay, but alas they don't.
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How could BMW have pocketed money from what is normally a no cost option ?

Is an opportunity actually " missed "
When one weighs (literally) the pros and cons and then makes an educated decision ? It's not like BMW didn't realize they could put a CF roof on a car. ...
There's always a cost even when it's a "no cost" option. What I'm saying is that some people will buy this RKP roof and also pay the install fees - that's called an opportunity cost for BMW. They could have offered this at least as a cost option for those willing to pay, but alas they don't.
The M2 is NOT a purchase to order vehicle for most markets.

Limited colors
Limited options
No sunroof in many markets
No cf roof in ALL markets
No seat upgrade options
No interior upgrade options
No individual sales


There's a whole lotta " opportunity cost missed" .. In your words.

BMW has reviewed the option to add a CF roof (as a no cost option for the customer) AND as an Optional add on for the customer that wants it.. AND as an optional feature to further move the M2 from it's other 2 series siblings).

As I stated previously ... they are aware of ALL THREE of these paths and yet they chose NONE OF THE ABOVE.
So.... again.. It's in the ///Marketing plan ... which basically states..

Don't like the M2 as it is now ? - F*ck off and buy an M3 or M4. Or... Step down to an M235/240.
Don't want to WAIT for an M2? - F*ck off and buy an M3 or M4. Or... Step down to an M235/240

BMW would rather that customers take the *opportunity * to buy an M3 or M4 if a carbon fiber roof ( or any of the above listed items ) is so important to that customer.

With the current marketing plan . BMW has recognized the opportunity for a lot more profit by having the customer buy a product that has a higher profit margin if the customer is so hung up on a single feature like the carbon fiber roof.

They would REALLY love for buyers to add INDIVIDUAL color along with a whole host of profit laden options like extended leather to their M3 or M4 as well..

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So the process involves destroying the factory welding spots, and then fitting the new roof with glue. Am I understanding this correctly? This seems like a terrible idea, and I'm not sure how my insurance would feel about this.
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Giving the n55b30T0 a pass ? Wow ... How big of you
Oh yeah that motor sucks too (compared to S55), can't believe I forgot about that.
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      09-21-2016, 09:19 PM   #74
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Guy spends thousands to shave a few pounds off the roof and adds it back in plus more with a huge audio system in the trunk lol
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How could BMW have pocketed money from what is normally a no cost option ?

Is an opportunity actually " missed "
When one weighs (literally) the pros and cons and then makes an educated decision ? It's not like BMW didn't realize they could put a CF roof on a car. ...
They could have done normal metal roof as standard then charged $1500 for CF roof and moonroof options. If someone bitches it's free on the M3/M4 or $1500 is too much for CF roof they just say the M2 is the low base cost car so you have to pay for the option.

I bet they would have sold a LOT of M2's with CF roof as a $1500 upgrade.
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So.... again.. It's in the ///Marketing plan ... which basically states..

Don't like the M2 as it is now ? - F*ck off and buy an M3 or M4. Or... Step down to an M235/240.
Don't want to WAIT for an M2? - F*ck off and buy an M3 or M4. Or... Step down to an M235/240

BMW would rather that customers take the *opportunity * to buy an M3 or M4 if a carbon fiber roof ( or any of the above listed items ) is so important to that customer.
Yup.

I'm going to make "F*ck off and buy an M3 or M4. Or... Step down to an M235/240. " A T shirt.
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I bet they would have sold a LOT of M2's with CF roof as a $1500 upgrade.
You're so right! BMW would've sold far more with the CF roof than without. Maybe they really really wanted to sell the Exec Pkg instead??
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      09-21-2016, 11:09 PM   #78
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The CF roof looks great, but I'm not sure if 5kg in weight savings compared to the overall weight of the car is such a great cost/benefit and would yield a real improvement on the handling of the M2. On the other hand, a CF bonnet (or hood) would be more beneficial since it's a larger and heavier part and would help the weight balance of the car more to the rear, which would help for traction...
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How could BMW have pocketed money from what is normally a no cost option ?

Is an opportunity actually " missed "
When one weighs (literally) the pros and cons and then makes an educated decision ? It's not like BMW didn't realize they could put a CF roof on a car. ...
They could have done normal metal roof as standard then charged $1500 for CF roof and moonroof options. If someone bitches it's free on the M3/M4 or $1500 is too much for CF roof they just say the M2 is the low base cost car so you have to pay for the option.

I bet they would have sold a LOT of M2's with CF roof as a $1500 upgrade.

I bet they would have too , Cept they aren't tryna sell M2s ...

They simply don't have the economies of scale in which to add items to the 2 series. The 1 series was the same. BMW makes 10x more 3 series models. Plenty of options and styles. Sedan, coupe. Gran coupe , convertible , M , diesel, GT, x drive , e drive, and of course umpteen motor options.

The 2 series is made in 2 door coupe and convertible form only.

This is really simple ....
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Giving the n55b30T0 a pass ? Wow ... How big of you
Oh yeah that motor sucks too (compared to S55), can't believe I forgot about that.
Look at that .. Falling Down on your " M principles "..

Just wait ... I bet in the Next 90 days you'll be babbling about the M2 is better than the M4...
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So the process involves destroying the factory welding spots, and then fitting the new roof with glue. Am I understanding this correctly? This seems like a terrible idea, and I'm not sure how my insurance would feel about this.

An Aston Martin is pretty much completely built this way. Compared to most automobiles.. Very little in the way of welds and lots of rivets and glue ...
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It is the SAME quality as the one on the M3/M4 car? Because some aftermarket carbon hood change color after a while with the sun!
So i think its important to have a roof with the same kind of quality that M3/M4 have!
Had IND's CF roof on my 1M. The quality is as good as OEM and so is the fit and finish. After professional installation it looked like it came from the factory! :thump:

Will definitely do it again on the M2 if I ever get one.
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Superb this looks awesome!
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Sounds like a steal deal for all!
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Looks cool, Weight benefit also. Love the detail of the channel recess in the roof.

Plus points all round...definitely considered for my M2...when I ever get it...still waiting
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Now we just need real M mirrors and seats
M3/M4 won't fit?
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You're so right! BMW would've sold far more with the CF roof than without. Maybe they really really wanted to sell the Exec Pkg instead??
Maybe like the sunroof. Thet wanted to keep the production line moving and limit the options.

That and the M2 already weighs less and they didn't need to go to exotic extremes to reduce the weight further.
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