[MPoweRo]

Great report M3Adjuster! I suppose that's what I was expecting

Here here RE the CSL. I'm first in the list at BMW Melbourne.

Cheers.

[OhioRiderAaron]

Nice write-up M3 Adjuster.

What alignment settings did the 1M have? The M2 would probably be even faster if it had the same settings as the 1M Coupe. Add some camber plates for the next trackday review!

[F87LUV]

Nice write up!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by OhioRiderAaron

Nice write-up M3 Adjuster.

What alignment settings did the 1M have? The M2 would probably be even faster if it had the same settings as the 1M Coupe. Add some camber plates for the next trackday review!

approximately negative 2.3 degrees camber. on track.. The 1M absolutely murders the front tires without camber plates. The two biggest reasons for the over 15 second difference in Nurburgring time are lack of front camber. On the street the front tires last for more than double the life of the rear tires. The 1M got a modified 1 series strut setup for the front that was not the same as the E90 M3. The BMW M2 benefits from the full setup from the M4 and of course there was a substantial improvement from E9x to F8x.

as far as the owner adding camber plates to this particular M2... it's more than likely to remain stock!

[redux]

Did you mount the stock tires on the 1m just for the comparison? It's been about 5 years since I had a set of PS2's on my car, but I remember the transition to the oversteer being rather unfriendly at times.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by redux

Did you mount the stock tires on the 1m just for the comparison? It's been about 5 years since I had a set of PS2's on my car, but I remember the transition to the oversteer being rather unfriendly at times.

both on Michelin PSS Front: P245/35R19, rear: P265/35R19

technically there are conti sport contacts on the rear of the 1M but lets not make excuses...

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Reedomn

Great thread!! Now I do not have do one of my own!!

LOL. Wow... you've had all the M3s except the F80 M5... er... M3

I owned two E30 M3s for over 17 years as well as an E46 M3 vert in the household as well.

[Romo]

M2 is softer all around
softer clutch
softer brake pedal
steering number
gearbox lighter
1M puts you back in the seat with boost and the M2 builds more slowly and then has more power at the top end
NO WAY I WOULD TRADE
M2 literally feels like the same car actually
M2 revs more freely
Definitely better grip in the corners in the M2

" honestly doesnt feel much faster "

This really sums it up !!

Just an awesome write up !!

As a former 1M owner I fully agree !!

[Cpdbeemer]

Great write up, thanks for sharing. Nice comparative pics too.

I would like to see a report from someone driving each on the ragged edge rather than well within their capabilities. That is where I expect the M2 would also outshine the M1 with its wider track and wheelbase, it should be more stable and have superior grip.

[CanadianDriver]

Great writeup M3 Adjuster

My take away is that 1M is for the enthusiast near-race car pro/driver while M2 is for mainstream enthusiast/beginner performance driver... i.e. the car has plenty of "forgiveness" as they say in golf

[rjn]

Nice video overlay. Thanks for sharing that.
Does the BMW M performace app do any sort of real time predictive timing display?
That would be the ultimate easter egg!

Thanks,
Rob

[gthal]

Originally Posted by CanadianDriver

Great writeup M3 Adjuster

My take away is that 1M is for the enthusiast near-race car pro/driver while M2 is for mainstream enthusiast/beginner performance driver... i.e. the car has plenty of "forgiveness" as they say in golf

Don't confuse "capability" with "forgiveness"... although they often go hand in hand

Often a car with higher limits and capability is, by definition, more forgiving and easier to manage. The M2, as noted by the lap times, is more capable as we would expect. It's partly more capable because its limits are higher and it is better balanced.

For someone who wants the thrill of near death (exaggerating a bit for drama) and a more pure "raw" experience, the 1M is a great option. However, I would argue most professional drivers would prefer the car with higher limits, better control, etc unless they want to play hooligan. To say that the M2 is for the "mainstream enthusiast/beginner performance driver" is not true at all IMO. It is simply a more refined, more controlled version of the 1M. Some people will like the more raw, bite you in the behind feel and character of the 1M. However, even many very experienced track enthusiasts will want the faster car with better balance and higher limits and performance. It doesn't necessarily mean less fun... it means better control is accessible by EVERYONE... beginners and more advanced drivers.

Put another way, one of the biggest complaints of the M4 is the happy tail, the lack of grip due to torque, etc. None of this is "preferred" on the track unless you are messing around or want a thrill ride. The 1M is somewhat similar. The M2 corrects this notwithstanding some people like the feel of the alternative. If the M2 was unpredictable and untamed, I bet far MORE people would be complaining.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by rjn

Nice overlay. Thanks for sharing that.
Does the BMW app do any sort of real time predictive timing display?
That would be the ultimate easter egg!

Thanks,
Rob

The BMW M analyzer App Is very slick!

The overlay onto the video is very well done and gives all kinds of info like throttle , brake, gear selection , g force etc.

It doesn't provide a predictive lap feature that I have seen, and I agree if it did then there would be pretty much no reason for a solo DL at all.

1M Tex has the original track session video from the M analyzer but it's a large file.

one caveat with using your phone for recording is that the M analyzer app records in its own format. It requires additional space on the phone To convert it to a video format that can be exported and uploaded to the web and since the video can be several gb, then it requires a phone with lots of available space on the hard drive. Don't attempt this with an iPhone 16 or 32gb!

[MR.]

Damn, nice write up!

MR

[rjn]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

The BMW M analyzer App Is very slick!

The overlay onto the video is very well done and gives all kinds of info like throttle , brake, gear selection , g force etc.

It doesn't provide a predictive lap feature that I have seen, and I agree if it did then there would be pretty much no reason for a solo DL at all.

1M Tex has the original track session video from the M analyzer but it's a large file.

one caveat with using your phone for recording is that the M analyzer app records in its own format. It requires additional space on the phone To convert it to a video format that can be exported and uploaded to the web and since the video can be several gb, then it requires a phone with lots of available space on the hard drive. Don't attempt this with an iPhone 16gb!

Thanks for capturing all this. That looks like everything needed for some solid post session analysis. Especially bar racing later in the day

Hoping there might be an easy/elegant way to get some predictive feedback in session, but need to keep reminding myself this is not going to be my track car. For awhile anyway!

Thanks again

[CosmosMpower]

1:27 and 1:30? That can't be right, 3.5 and 5.5 seconds slower than a S2000 on 200TW street tires on the 1.7 CCW. Should have let Ken O take the cars out.

Also don't see how you can say 1M has better grip when it has camber plates which is just about the #1 most important mod for front end grip in a Mac strut BMW. Not apples to apples. I do believe the M2 maybe softer but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Cpdbeemer

Great write up, thanks for sharing. Nice comparative pics too.

I would like to see a report from someone driving each on the ragged edge rather than well within their capabilities. That is where I expect the M2 would also outshine the M1 with its wider track and wheelbase, it should be more stable and have superior grip.

These ain't press cars ! . I was graciously permitted a chance to drive this M2 by Mr. AND Mrs @1M_Tex ....

I was hoping Billy Auberlen would drop by but I guess he didn't get my text.

Two things -

1- MDM/sport plus - traction control was on for both cars.

I was not out to set fastest lap possible in the cars, but more to see the differences between the two in a couple of sessions.

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

1:27 and 1:30? That can't be right, 3.5 and 5.5 seconds slower than a S2000 on 200TW street tires on the 1.7 CCW. Should have let Ken O take the cars out.

Apparently you picked the wrong track to be on for the day ? . You might have even been able to go right seat.

The 1.7 was definitely slick. Ken and I talked about the lack of grip. He put down. 1:22s on his street tire setup in his TT E46M3. That's after an hour chaning front and rear aero in the paddock and throwing on super sticky RE71-R street tires.

2- To really get a great time from the Michelin Pilot SS I would have had to treat both cars like a qualifying session and totally go balls to wall the first two laps after the warmup lap because the tires were done after lap 3 or 4. There's no way I go to a track and try and set impressive lap times and show up with pilot SS as my hot tire .. ... plus...

[CosmosMpower]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

These ain't press cars !

I was hoping Billy Auberlen would drop by but I guess he didn't get my text.

Still the mighty 1M should be able to hold off a few 110 hp first gen Miata's, no?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by CosmosMpower

Still the mighty 1M should be able to hold off a few 110 hp first gen Miata's, no?

Yes it does. But on pilots .. On a hot day... If the Miata is on race tires .. Just barely . That's why I pulled over for a point by towards the end of the run. Neal Bellamy was following me, and actually after declining the pass, he went off !

Come on down to COTA ..

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Romo

This really sums it up !!

Just an awesome write up !!

As a former 1M owner I fully agree !!

[Franklin Joseph]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Videos incoming I hope.

And yes I figure I will also make a COTA Update.
When is your car coming in? Time to see if it can fit some 275 and 285 runner up front :-)

Yes. And perhaps some wheel and tire combos

fingers crossed i pick up this friday....car is in Galveston already.

@Cota = we will add a gt4 to the test too...haha.

[ken o]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

The 1.7 was definitely slick. Ken and I talked about the lack of grip. He put down. 1:22s on his street tire setup in his TT E46M3. That's after an hour chaning front and rear aero in the paddock and throwing on super sticky RE71 street tires.

I would get an e46 M3. They can run 1:20.9 on street tires.