[MFNATIK]

god, makes me miss driving on the autobahn so much

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by five3three

Sad showing for the M2. Even if there are some variances that would make the M2 the same or slightly faster on another day, it's still way too close and the M240 will make that up.

This is basically what I felt when I did the M track day last week. The M2 leaves a lot to be desired when accelerating from 50 to 120+ and it really left me wondering if I was driving a defective example. I had hoped for a better showing when I drove it but it pretty much ensured I won't go the M2 route when my lease is up next spring. It's just not that much of an upgrade for me from the 235 and I currently track that car. Yes, the M2 is nimble amd tossable and would be sweet on those short and technical tracks but I would lIke a car with some more power for some fun highway acceleration and for larger tracks.

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

@APBReader: Probably koastal's reply was uncalled for, BUT the other guy appeared to be justifying his M235i way too much. M2 is just a souped up M235i or something like that? An M235i is 'just a 220d with an N55', that's what I think lol. Totally different cars.

Your 'supercar pretending' thingy wasn't exactly what we were waiting for either, that's when I jumped in. to da rescue

If 10k euros/US$ is the difference in 240i/M2 and one doesn't want to spend more than xxx$ be done with it (and I do understand) but don't justify the M235i vs the M2 with nonsense arguments imho.

Cheers
Robin

How is it possible to read that as "nonsense arguments"???

I think he explains his views very well, saying that he missed some of the top end but think the M2 would be great on small nimble tracks. But that he would like a car with more high end power (which then obviously can't be the M235i over the M2 since the M235i has less top end power).

And that comment regarding not having enough money to buy an M2 is just sad

Are M2 owners REALLY this insecure?

[Phatcat]

Well, M2 in Taiwan is a 110k USD car, maybe this will make people feel better.

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by koastal

If you dont have the money just say so

Most M240''s (AWD, vert) will cost more than an M2.

[Billy_BMW]

Gents, they are both different cars for different people, despite sharing a lot of similarities. There's no need for personal remarks.

However, back to the point of this thread, the video highlights (IMO) a strong M235i and a weak M2. To elaborate, if you compare and time 100-200kph times for each cars on other M2/235i acceleration videos on youtube; the mid-range and gearing prowess of the M2 become superior.

If you then add tuned variants, then perhaps the tables can turn.

[DKX4///M]

Worthless without knowing conditions, driver, etc...

But also remember M2 has slightly higher boost w same FMIC so its gonna heat soak on a long run like that faster, simple logical explaination as to y the m235 can keep up up top...

[Wozich]

The guy who posted the video on YouTube has done reviews of these cars as well. He said he was disappointed with the acceleration of the M2 above 200kph. When he reviewed the 440i GC, he pointed out that the new B58 engine really pulls and thinks it could be faster than the M2 in higher speeds. Now he wants to compare it to the M240i.

Maybe there was something wrong with the M2, it was a press car nonetheless, as someone already mentioned. I would still pick the M2 over the M235i/M240i even if it's way slower in a straight line. But it's weird how BMW made such a small power gap between the two. With the M240i it's just 30HP less, but the same torque without the overboost function. Maybe there will be a power increase with the competition package (S55), if it comes.

[koastal]

Originally Posted by five3three

Love this comment and how some folks can't take criticism of their car. It is just a car.

My 235 that I got well over two years ago was optioned out to cost the exact same as an M2 does. I guess that means I can't afford an M2. I also guess the fact that I will be shopping for an M3 or M4 next and skipping the M2 means that I can't afford an M2.

I think you missed my point entirely. I went to that session wanting to love the M2 but came out of it unimpressed and wanting something better. I never even said that the 235 was any better...rather that the M2 would dominate on shorter tracks but left a bit to be desired in 50 to 120+ pulls. But I guess the fact that I didn't like a car as much as you is like me insulting your first born child and resorting to personal insults.

Get a fucking life if you can't come up with a constructive response.

Wasnt insulted at all. Your observations were justifying your purchase. The internet is full of such comments.

Can you tell me again why, even tho you can afford a M2 why you bought a 235. ?

For the record I have quite a nice life thank you.

[five3three]

Originally Posted by koastal

Wasnt insulted at all. Your observations were justifying your purchase. The internet is full of such comments.

Can you tell me again why, even tho you can afford a M2 why you bought a 235. ?

For the record I have quite a nice life thank you.

Easy justification. I got it almost 2.5 years ago (April 2014 build) before the M2 was even confirmed. Had the M2 been in the market then I would have gotten the M2. I never said I would pick the 235 over the M2.

However, now that my lease is wrapping up, I want something that feels like a significant upgrade and the M2 does not feel like that. I really did want it to be and have followed this forum for quite some time until I got a chance to drive one. I will still go the M route but the F80/82 seem to be the upgrade I am looking for. Yes, I will miss the small form factor and tossability that I appreciate with the 235 and would even more appreciate with the M2. But. I will gain other things with the F80/82 that I believe I will appreciate even more.

I wish you would have asked a straightforward question from the start rather than jumping to money which is not an issue given my 235 cost as much as an M2.

[BMW 2002tii]

6Manual vs 6Manual would love to see that

[BMW 2002tii]

And agreed - they have held back on the M2 thinking it would rival the M3/4 buyers.

But as the M235 was aimed at the outgoing RS3 it was better than expected and therefore the difference between the M2 and M235 is minimal.....

[koastal]

Originally Posted by five3three

Easy justification. I got it 2.5 years ago before the M2 was even confirmed. Had the M2 been in the market then I would have gotten the M2. I never said I would pick the 235 over the M2.

However, now that my lease is wrapping up, I want something that feels like a significant upgrade and the M2 does not feel like that. I really did want it to be and have followed this forum for quite some time until I got a chance to drive one. I will still go the M route but the F80/82 seem to be the upgrade I am looking for.

I wish you would have asked a straightforward question from the start rather than jumping to money which is not an issue given my 235 cost as much as an M2.

I didnt have a question to ask.

[five3three]

Originally Posted by koastal

I didnt have a question to ask.

Sorry, I guess you simply had to make an ignorant assumption because anybody who slightly criticized a car you have is a hater who can't afford it. Just lovely. Even though I answered your last question directly that's the best you could come up with.

Too bad you don't have the class and civility that Robin_NL has as I definitely appreciate his posts and contributions to the forum over the past year or so. As a daily M2 forum reader, I can't recall a real contribution you have made, rather just simple one liners.

[five3three]

Originally Posted by BMW 2002tii

And agreed - they have held back on the M2 thinking it would rival the M3/4 buyers.

Couldn't agree with your more. They could have given it a little more. Doesn't mean it's not an awesome car as is but they held back quite a bit.

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by five3three

Couldn't agree with your more. They could have given it a little more. Doesn't mean it's not an awesome car as is but they held back quite a bit.

I find the whole "held it back" thing funny. They made an awesome car for the price point and in fact it beats the M4 in a lot of reviews, unless you are ONLY talking straight line speed and even in that case the M2 is not a slow car. You said it yourself that the M2 is the same price as your M235i, what did you want for the same price as an M235i? A 600 hp twin turbo V8? Why doesn't the M4 have the TT V8 that the M5 has? When did the M driver motto become "I live my life a quarter mile at a time"?

Anyway, the M2 is an awesome M car, is it the best M car that BMW offers? Most reviews suggest it and let's looks at it's resume.

-Lightest and smallest M available
-Best steering feel available in a current M(for being electric)
-Best handling M car
-Awesome exhaust
-Most linear feeling motor

[five3three]

Originally Posted by OrangeCrush

I find the whole "held it back" thing funny. They made an awesome car for the price point and in fact it beats the M4 in a lot of reviews, unless you are ONLY talking straight line speed and even in that case the M2 is not a slow car. You said it yourself that the M2 is the same price as your M235i, what did you want for the same price as an M235i? A 600 hp twin turbo V8? Why doesn't the M4 have the TT V8 that the M5 has? When did the M driver motto become "I live my life a quarter mile at a time"?

Anyway, the M2 is an awesome M car, is it the best M car that BMW offers? Most reviews suggest it and let's looks at it's resume.

-Lightest and smallest M available
-Best steering feel available in a current M(for being electric)
-Best handling M car
-Awesome exhaust
-Most linear feeling motor

Very fair point and I do not disagree. It is what it is bc of the price point which is a bargain for the price. I guess I would have liked just a bit more power. Otherwise it is everything you say.

[Bee Pee]

Originally Posted by Wozich

The guy who posted the video on YouTube has done reviews of these cars as well. He said he was disappointed with the acceleration of the M2 above 200kph. When he reviewed the 440i GC, he pointed out that the new B58 engine really pulls and thinks it could be faster than the M2 in higher speeds. Now he wants to compare it to the M240i.

Maybe there was something wrong with the M2, it was a press car nonetheless, as someone already mentioned. I would still pick the M2 over the M235i/M240i even if it's way slower in a straight line. But it's weird how BMW made such a small power gap between the two. With the M240i it's just 30HP less, but the same torque without the overboost function. Maybe there will be a power increase with the competition package (S55), if it comes.

Im not convinced BMW will opt for s55 for mainstream m2. b58 m2 is more likely given that there are a number of encrypted limits embedded deep with DME. B58 in mx40i or f3x mppsk is barely breaking a sweat so m2 b58 will deliver same / similar as s55 but at much lower cost.

M2 b58 GC - sign me up !!!!

[Boss330]

Originally Posted by koastal

Can you tell me again why, even tho you can afford a M2 why you bought a 235. ?

Did you seriously need an answer again to that question?

He said he bought his car "over 2 years ago". That should be a very big clue as to why he didn't buy an M2, right there...

The M2 was NOT available at that time (the "secret" clue as to why he bought a M235i... )

[Excezz]

There has been a hard data comparison done with the 2 cars.
I'm not siding either car but the legitimacy of the video is in question.

How is it possible to reach the same 0 - 210(ish)kmph (130mph) when the controlled test shows its about MORE THAN FOUR secs slower?

Just trying to be authentic here.

Here:
http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1263410





Does not make sense.

[Glounk]

At all !!!!!!!

[Bee Pee]

Originally Posted by Excezz

There has been a hard data comparison done with the 2 cars.
I'm not siding either car but the legitimacy of the video is in question.

How is it possible to reach the same 0 - 210(ish)kmph (130mph) when the controlled test shows its about MORE THAN FOUR secs slower?

Just trying to be authentic here.

Here:
http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1263410





Does not make sense.

It makes perfect sense the evo article is comparing m2 dct v m235i manual whereas the video compares m2 dct to m235i auto. One might assume that a combo of more ratios and lower drag coefficient helps m235i claw back its lesser power disadvantage as the speed rises......

[hoyasaxa]

Originally Posted by Bee Pee

It makes perfect sense the evo article is comparing m2 dct v m235i manual whereas the video compares m2 dct to m235i auto. One might assume that a combo of more ratios and lower drag coefficient helps m235i claw back its lesser power disadvantage as the speeds raise......

That doesn't account for the in gear runs in 3rd