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In the states we just pay a percentage of the current market value of the house for the rest of our lives. I'd love for it to be a one time tax at the time of purchase type thing like here in Germany.
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In Australia, depending on which State or Territory we live in, we pay between 4% and 7% of purchase price of a house in a State tax called stamp duty when we buy a house. Then we pay (local government) Council rates annually as a small percentage of the value of the house (usually less than 1% per annum). Additionally, for any real estate assets (not including the house you own and live in), we pay State Land Tax annually but also pay Capital Gains Tax when you sell any of those extra assets (min of 25% - max 50% of profits). I read somewhere, Australia is apparently one of the highest taxes countries in the OECD. But, on the positive side, we enjoy Universal health cover, safer suburbs and better roads with relative wages being more generous than many others.
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29 brand new and lightly mileage CS are sitting @ dealerships in Switzerland. 70% of the cars are probably sold (« officially » 100 cars were scheduled).
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WOW! More then 130x M2 CS for sale on German website.
Was looking on the biggest German used car site (Mobile.de). I was amazed to see more then 130x M2 CS for sale on this site. Yes; more then 130 cars for a "limited edition" BMW. Some of the prices are not that crazy and lower then the initial price for a new car: https://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/s...r=false&vc=Car
Me personally I like this car for 82.500euro (no; I have no plans in buying it....at the moment )
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Makes sense for it to include M2C Whether 147 or 161, it's going to be interesting to see how many will ever sell at anything over recommended prices, if any. I mean, €150k is surely a little over the top!!
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Still 26 for sale in Switzerland. There is only one in blue (and it is more expensive than the others even with 2000kms on the clock... 115KCH which is 110KEUR. It is a bit optimistic to me).
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Its more of a way to get extra cash for the government than really to incentivise eco cars. I say this as the system was changed 10 years ago or so to be based on CO2 production (a marginalized tax bracket system exists that calcs how much eco tax one pays per car per engine depending on CO2 production). At the time electric cars were exempt from this tax (and some other very niche tax loopholes in the dutch tax system). Now slowly electric cars are also being subjected to this tax and others... ofc, the rates are much lower than ICE cars. The taxes just go into the general pot and help close the budget. Taxes rates as a whole are about the same in NL and the US. We do have a pretty excellent road network though and good public transport and biking options to! This is not a country where one needs a car (even less with Corona now). I can get 24h delivery from pretty much any webshop or private person for example. So a car really is seen as a luxury and not a need. BTW one thing we all forget is that we don't usually pay for our more murky negative externalities. Whether you like it or not your and my car contribute to polution. From the tons of brake and tire dust that line highways and end up in aquafers to the green house gasses and fine particulates produced that end up in the air and give people respitory issues. This is what an "eco" tax aims to reduce. In America I would likely get sued if I directly caused you to ingest some dirty oil or some other toxic part of the car, but do it slowly and diffusely and no one batts an eyelid.
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Those of €150K are full option MSRP (including M-CCB) M2 CS cars in The Netherlands because of Dutch taxes. No markup. See post #11.
Other European countries levy taxes too, but not to the extent as in The Netherlands. Next country evolving into the Dutch taxes direction: France. But in those M2 CS listings there are effectively several cars with a markup. If those coin-flippers want to get rid of their "short-term financial investment" soon, they'll need a reality check and lower the price. Their idea to make a quick buck with the M2 CS was a mistake, though a forseeable one (cf. M4 GTS, M4 CS and M3 CS resale prices). They'd better keep the car, enjoy it to bits and not cry over spilt milk.
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I inquired about a hockenheim M2CS listed with pics in Santa Fe. It is indeed on the lot and for sale at $93k+
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Can't go wrong doing that. Also helps justifying a high end suspension splurge. Treat yoself
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In the meantime, I have been enjoying the best M2 ever made since August and 5500km. I look with pleasure at the exorbitant prices that are supposedly asked for the CS. The negotiated price I gave for my well-equipped CS without carboceramic brakes is/was a very good price in my opinion. And I don't care what the resale price of the CS will be in the future either. 4 years of M2 OG and a good acquisition price was enough for me to choose the best and last M2 in this configuration.
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