[DDS2015]

Originally Posted by Mastertec

My sales person in Vancouver said 120 coming to Canada.

That's double the amount of M3CS, which sat on lots for over a year. I think there are still one or two new ones available in Canada.

I'm hoping to pick up a left-over M2CS in summer of 2021

[medphysdave]

Belgium / Lux - 131
Netherlands
Ireland
Australia- 75
South Africa
Spain - 75
UK - 104
Canada -120
France
Germany
Switzerland

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[Artemis]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Belgium / Lux - 131
Netherlands
Ireland
Australia- 75
South Africa
Spain - 75
UK - 104
Canada -120
France
Germany
Switzerland
505

See also here:

Originally Posted by giamo64

In Italy the CS will be on sale at € 106.700 and only 44 available on the market. Originally 150, but reduced in favour of other countries. CCB at € 7.500
First deliveries in June.
All bad news..especially the price even considering the lower depreciation due to limited numbers production. Hardly worth it imo.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Pol

131 for Belgium

Belgium and Luxembourg.

[Artemis]

The Netherlands: "approximately 30 cars".

Source: here.

[Davil]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Belgium / Lux - 131
Netherlands
Ireland
Australia- 75
South Africa
Spain - 75
UK - 104
Canada
France
Germany
Switzerland

Added Switzerland to list.

75 for AU? https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1671456

385

Australia is still negotiating numbers. Over 100 orders but number will be <= 100.
Production starts March.

[Davil]

Also, the Benelux thing seems really really weird. Makes no sense at all when you look at market size.

"In terms of total sales volume for combined M and M Performance sales, Australia is currently placed fourth worldwide.

The latest figures offered, to the end of March and showing actual retail sales versus registration data (as used with the local VFACTS system), place the United States well out in front (7703), with Germany next (5497) and the United Kingdom close behind (5087).

Australia's position as the fourth-biggest M market in the world is based on 1143 total M-branded retail sales for the first quarter, just ahead of Switzerland on 1131 and Canada on 1116."

https://premium.goauto.com.au/austra...r-bmw-m-share/

[medphysdave]

Belgium / Lux - 131
Netherlands - 30
Ireland
Australia - 75
South Africa
Spain - 75
UK - 104
Canada - 120
France
Germany
Switzerland
Italy - 44

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[elitt13]

Belgium / Lux - 131
Netherlands - 30
Ireland
Australia - 75
South Africa
Spain - 75
UK - 104
Canada - 120
France - 70
Germany
Switzerland
Italy - 44

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[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

From a value perspective these m4cs deals are amazing.

Problem with leasing the M2CS will be M2's notoriously horrible lease numbers. M3/M4 have much more favorable residuals that help move some units. M2CS will most likely all be financed or cash purchase.

[sdhotwn]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

Problem with leasing the M2CS will be M2's notoriously horrible lease numbers. M3/M4 have much more favorable residuals that help move some units. M2CS will most likely all be financed or cash purchase.

Which doesn't make sense since the depreciation is less on the M2 over 3 years than the M3 M4, so the residuals should be better. Not just from an absolute perspective, but percentage as well.

[Gromper]

Germany - 500
Belgium / Lux - 131
Canada - 120
UK - 104
Australia - 75
Spain - 75
France - 70
Italy - 44
Netherlands - 30
US
South Africa
Switzerland
Ireland

1149

[CSBM5]

Originally Posted by sdhotwn

Which doesn't make sense since the depreciation is less on the M2 over 3 years than the M3 M4, so the residuals should be better. Not just from an absolute perspective, but percentage as well.

Yeah, no kidding, but I guess in the car business there are plenty of times when leasing "economics" makes no sense (i.e. car makers trying to move product)...like last year at this time when you could lease an M3 CS (with MSRP over $100k) for about the same or less as an M2 Competition ($62k MSRP). Truly a bit crazy.

[medphysdave]

Originally Posted by Gromper

Germany - 500
Belgium / Lux - 131
Canada - 120
UK - 104
Australia - 75
Spain - 75
France - 70
Italy - 44
Netherlands - 30
US
South Africa
Switzerland
Ireland

1149

Germany has a large piece of the pie. Other regions I expect to get allocations would be middle East, Mexico, Asia, and South America. I thought I read somewhere that the Philippines were expecting allocations. China and Japan?

[Conissah]

Originally Posted by Gromper

Germany - 500
Belgium / Lux - 131
Canada - 120
UK - 104
Australia - 75
Spain - 75
France - 70
Italy - 44
Netherlands - 30
US
South Africa
Switzerland
Ireland

1149

I would guess Germany would get more than 500 no?

Originally Posted by medphysdave

Germany has a large piece of the pie. Other regions I expect to get allocations would be middle East, Mexico, Asia, and South America. I thought I read somewhere that the Philippines were expecting allocations. China and Japan?

If we are considering the US rumored number, we are looking at 1649 total. Only 551 left at that point.

[medphysdave]

My suspicion is that a lot more than 350 to 400 are going to be dumped into the US market. I'm thinking 800.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by medphysdave

My suspicion is that a lot more than 350 to 400 are going to be dumped into the US market. I'm thinking 800.

I would expect you're right, in the event the US has the requisite demand. I would imagine these numbers will be fluid as BMW figures out where the CS is going to sell easily and in the greatest volumes.

[JohannSkyywalker]

I‘m from germany.
Today i have heard that in germany we will only get 250.

And the german configurator for the M2cs at BMW.de is offline since yesterday.

[Conissah]

Originally Posted by JohannSkyywalker

I‘m from germany.
Today i have heard that in germany we will only get 250.

And the german configurator for the M2cs at BMW.de is offline since yesterday.

Perhaps the US getting 500, has been bumped to 750, with the extra 250 coming from DE?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Conissah

I would guess Germany would get more than 500 no?
If we are considering the US rumored number, we are looking at 1649 total. Only 551 left at that point.

Hm, would BMW dare to walk the Ferrari 'limited edition' route when demand outstrips the 'official' production limit ?

"399 Enzo + 1 for the Pope" is the official Ferrari tag line. However...

"How many did you say?
As for being one of 400 built, thanks to historians like Gerald Roush of the Ferrari Market Letter, a well-known member of the serial number swapping group to which I belong, we have confirmed records on 446 Enzos to date, and the list is growing. This is obviously well over the official number of 399 plus 1 used by Ferrari.
How can this be? Very simple; Ferrari is a “for profit” organization, and once the development and production costs of the Enzo were paid for, each extra car delivered at $650,000 or so had a very large profit margin built in. Add a lot of wealthy and well-connected owners who were miffed that they were not on the lucky list of 400, and you have a burgeoning market making wealthy clients happy by making “extra” cars. So much for the one of 400 myth…."
(source: here - see also here and here)

"I'm up to 501 Enzo serial numbers, and have it on good authority that between 520-540 were built."
"My count does not include those cars whose VINs were re-assigned to brand new Enzos that were dubbed as "repaired" when they were really replacements. So, I guess you can add another, say, half dozen or so to the list if you count those as well."
(source: here)

See also:

Originally Posted by Artemis

MR., did you get confirmation from two separate sources that BMW canceled the '2200 cars' limit for the M2 CS ?

[AlpsRider]

Lucky Canadians just got their CS configurator:
https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1670651

The Canadian price starts at $97,750. My quick Google assistant conversion to US dollars is $73,549. Apparently the price varies by Province.

[Conissah]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Hm, would BMW dare to walk the Ferrari 'limited edition' route when demand outstrips the 'official' production limit ?

"399 Enzo + 1 for the Pope" is the official Ferrari tag line. However...

They may, but I doubt the profit margin is anywhere near large enough to cause BMW to make more than previously mentioned. What's the current profit margin on an M2, less than 10%? A regular 911 has a profit margin of almost 50%, the Enzo's margins were probably INSANE even compared to the current 911. They very well could make more 2200, but the demand would have to be exceptionally high.