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Lap times should be taken with a huge grain of salt. I have a buddy with an identical M2 as I have, he is very experienced, great driver. He runs 4-5 seconds faster than I do and I am faster than most. I have seen guys in slow cars drive incredible lap times and I have seen guys in very capable cars turn in very slow lap times. That is not to even get in the discussion of weather, track condition or tire condition/type. Point is the only lap time that is really relevant is the lap time you can turn in your car.
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wow thats really impressive. the car def is a rocket
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For all the Type R bandwagoners, here's further proof of the car's track capabilities from independent testers.
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Whether by a fraction of a second or by 5 minutes. A WIN is a WIN. A lot of people try to downplay the success of a car reaching first with this rhetoric and it doesn't work.
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IME, track times are influenced far more by drivers than hardware. In other words, smart money goes to the proficient driver in the slower car, rather than the less experienced driver in a faster car. Also IME, debating track times is argued most energetically by those who spend little time at the track.
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I know this about the bmw but if they have a Pista there then would be nice to know the comparative lap times of its competition such as a Huracan Performante, 720s, 911 Gt2 etc...seems wierd to put a Pista out with a bunch of cars it clearly does not compete with
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A 4/100th fraction of a second spread over a 2 minute course among four cars is within a margin of error. Your post is valid for a competitive race, but not for clarifying which of these cars is faster than another.
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^Sport Auto ran 8:01 at the 'ring. Honda ran 7:43. I trust independent testers as it relates to track times.
https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/commen...t_nurburgring/ So to answer your question, it's a negative.
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Even though I agree that these tests weren't done in the same day under the same weather conditions, the drivers who did tests aren't your average HPDE driver. Btw, most of the tests were done by the same driver (Romain Monti). He was the driver for M2 Competition, M3 Competition, M2, 718 Cayman S, C63S, Alpine A110, and Camaro.
Some of their video descriptions also include what tires they had on the cars. M2C for instance had stock Pilot Super Sport while Alpine had Pilot Sport 4S. It doesn't mention but I believe M2 and M3C had the stock PSS tires as well. However, M3C stock tire sizes are 265/285 (vs 245/265) so it has some advantage there in addition to the power difference. Here are videos of some other cars at the same track and by the same driver: M2 (Driver:Romain Monti) M3 Competition (Driver:Romain Monti) 718 Cayman S (Driver:Romain Monti) Camaro (Driver:Romain Monti) C63S (Driver:Romain Monti) |
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And what these cars would benefit the most on track is OEM camber, a small drop plus a meaty square setup (295 or 305 all around). The times would be very competitive with anything up to $120k.
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