[kab_m2]

Originally Posted by JacobBMW14

No I’m not 14. And I’m just saying he M2C comes with the things I personally think an M car should come with. The seats in particular are an upgrade in my book from the outgoing M2. They remind me of the old e36 M3 Vader seats.

Originally Posted by Stage IV

The seats have been in existence since late 2014 in the F80/82. Be certain that multiple people have ridden in them over great distances.

Driving dynamics be damned!

It's the seats that maketh the car!

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by kab_m2

Driving dynamics be damned!

It's the seats that maketh the car!

Seats are important but dynamics are paramount.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by kab_m2

Driving dynamics be damned!
It's the seats that maketh the car!

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Seats are important but dynamics are paramount.

Let me dig up this M2 animation (2016): not even the slightest reference to the seats (let alone their so-called 'crookedness'):

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Let me dig up this M2 animation (2016): not even the slightest reference to the seats (let alone their so-called 'crookedness'):
[VIDEO]

When you get one of these of the M2C, please share!

[Fear-Mongrel]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Seats aside, M2C has the M4 Comp.'s harsh non-Adaptive suspension on a smaller wheelbase; It definitely ain't going to feel like a Rolls Royce.. #LiteralButthurt

Can't speak to the ride of the M2C, obviously, but we didn't find the ride of the M2 to be harsh in the slightest. I know about certain reviews, we read them too, but it's like they drove a different car than we did. And we saw plenty of time on small backroads, over plenty of railroad tracks, and plenty of potholes. If the M2C ride is as compliant as that of the M2, you'll be doing just fine. It's obviously a firm ride, so not as cushy as that of an E class, or Lexus LS, but "harsh" never entered our minds. This car does not need adaptive suspension, in my opinion.

What it does need? Grab handles! BMW, do M2C buyers a favor and give them grab handles of some kind.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by afwares

Can't speak to the ride of the M2C, obviously, but we didn't find the ride of the M2 to be harsh in the slightest. I know about certain reviews, we read them too, but it's like they drove a different car than we did. And we saw plenty of time on small backroads, over plenty of railroad tracks, and plenty of potholes. If the M2C ride is as compliant as that of the M2, you'll be doing just fine. It's obviously a firm ride, so not as cushy as that of an E class, or Lexus LS, but "harsh" never entered our minds. This car does not need adaptive suspension, in my opinion.

What it does need? Grab handles! BMW, do M2C buyers a favor and give them grab handles of some kind.

Grab handles would be lovely; all my passengers reach for air, when I get an open road and finally get a chance to open up my BMW Vtec But the bean-counter won and didn't included them in the lower series models anymore.
They are a safety hazard to omit them in a toss-able vehicle; my last passager got Shaking Baby like-Syndrome cause she had nothing to hold on to


The ride quality is a matter of opinion; I live in NYC and the first time went to Florida, I was more excited about how smooth the roads where than Space Mountain, as oppose to NY.
It was like a different world.. So ok for some, might be intolerable for another.

https://secretnyc.co/watch-new-yorke...c-streets/amp/

[silverado]

Originally Posted by Artemis

The M2 got plenty of accolades in the car press. Jeremy Clarkson commented as follows when he test drove an M2 (with manual transmission) in 'The Grand Tour':

"I think this is the best M car BMW has ever made. | This car happily has an old back-to-basics approach. | Klaus and Fritz, I am loving your work. | This isn't as fast in a straight line as an M3, but everywhere else it is better. It feels less heavy, less cumbersome, and due to the unique characteristics of our straight, I can tell the steering is less twitchy. | This thing is an absolute masterpiece. I can say it is the best M car BMW has ever made. It's mad to suggest the cheapest M car is the best. But look at it this way: this track is a lot cheaper than Silverstone, and I know which one I'd rather drive around. | It's a fabulous car, it's a brilliant car, it really honestly is."

See also his written M2 review: here.

Thank you, Artemis, for reminding me of the Jeremy's Grand Tour review.

In another quote that starts right after he declares that the M2 "is the best M car BMW has ever made", he eloquently addresses the (lack of) fine-grained configurability of steering, throttle response, ride, M buttons, etc.:

In a lot of fast cars these days you get all sorts of knobs and buttons which you can use to change « well I say change but I mean ruin » the characteristics of the engine and the suspension and the steering and so on. And I always think isn't that like a chef bringing a fish to your table and an oven and some butter and a bit of parsley, and saying "cook it yourself"? No! You cook it! It's what I'm paying for! This car happily has a more back-to-basics approach. In the M2, you get a little rocker switch down here which does... nothing at all as far as I can see, and that's it! You're buying a car which was set up at the factory by engineers who know what they're doing. And all you have to do is enjoy it. Which I'm doing.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by silverado

Thank you, Artemis, for reminding me of the Jeremy's Grand Tour review.

In another quote that starts right after he declares that the M2 "is the best M car BMW has ever made", he eloquently addresses the (lack of) fine-grained configurability of steering, throttle response, ride, M buttons, etc.:

In a lot of fast cars these days you get all sorts of knobs and buttons which you can use to change « well I say change but I mean ruin » the characteristics of the engine and the suspension and the steering and so on. And I always think isn't that like a chef bringing a fish to your table and an oven and some butter and a bit of parsley, and saying "cook it yourself"? No! You cook it! It's what I'm paying for! This car happily has a more back-to-basics approach. In the M2, you get a little rocker switch down here which does... nothing at all as far as I can see, and that's it! You're buying a car which was set up at the factory by engineers who know what they're doing. And all you have to do is enjoy it. Which I'm doing.

He complained about the settings in the E46 M3 CSL as well - something to the effect of why isn’t it all aggressive as possible?

[chris719]

Originally Posted by silverado

Thank you, Artemis, for reminding me of the Jeremy's Grand Tour review.

In another quote that starts right after he declares that the M2 "is the best M car BMW has ever made", he eloquently addresses the (lack of) fine-grained configurability of steering, throttle response, ride, M buttons, etc.:

In a lot of fast cars these days you get all sorts of knobs and buttons which you can use to change « well I say change but I mean ruin » the characteristics of the engine and the suspension and the steering and so on. And I always think isn't that like a chef bringing a fish to your table and an oven and some butter and a bit of parsley, and saying "cook it yourself"? No! You cook it! It's what I'm paying for! This car happily has a more back-to-basics approach. In the M2, you get a little rocker switch down here which does... nothing at all as far as I can see, and that's it! You're buying a car which was set up at the factory by engineers who know what they're doing. And all you have to do is enjoy it. Which I'm doing.

News at 11 - Old man yells at cloud

[silverado]

Originally Posted by chris719

News at 11 - Old man yells at cloud

Oh yeah? He's the same age as many of the people designing your beloved <insert your favorite sports car here>

[ZPrime]

LOL.... Clarkson probably thought the rocker switch does nothing, because the way "MDM" and ESP OFF act as their own "modes" is completely bizarre.

You can fiddle with Comfort/Sport/Sport+ all you want and it doesn't matter at all, since the second you try to change the traction control, the other stuff is overridden.

It's really weird.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by chris719

News at 11 - Old man yells at cloud

In Belgium we got a well-known piece of modern art called "The Man Who Measures The Clouds". True story. Welcome to Belgium.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Welcome to Belgium.

I like your waffles.

[Fear-Mongrel]

Originally Posted by Poochie

The ride quality is a matter of opinion; I live in NYC and the first time went to Florida, I was more excited about how smooth the roads where than Space Mountain, as oppose to NY.
It was like a different world.. So ok for some, might be intolerable for another.

Yes, agree completely. I was born in Brooklyn, know your plight well. If you live in NY, I recommend one of these. It was good enough for The Duke, it should be good enough for you.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

No OG M2 allocations in my area at all. In fact, OG 6MT’s are going for MSRP again. M2 is a winner, the OG was a limited 3 year run with huge demand. The idea that it was going to free fall this summer was ridiculous. Production ends / demand does not.

things have been that way since the 1M came out.

1M.... was NOT limited.. but only sold 1 year.

M2... was NOT limited.. but only sold 3 years.

M2 Comp.. will NOT be limited but only will sell 2-3 years.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

things have been that way since the 1M came out.

1M.... was NOT limited.. but only sold 1 year.

M2... was NOT limited.. but only sold 3 years.

M2 Comp.. will NOT be limited but only will sell 2-3 years.

Right.

NOT limited...but not easy to get, necessarily, either.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

Right.

NOT limited...but not easy to get, necessarily, either.

Certainly much harder to get than an M4

Actually I know where an M3 CS allocation is available so.. certainly harder than even an M3.