[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Elwood74

At this point wait till the car shows up....

That should be August

[///M²]

I find it very unlikely the US does not get the 5.0, what are they going to do on the assembly line...

"hold it, that's a US model throw the old navi in it!"

All 2 series and M2's should have it, just makes sense.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

He said the reason was that the M2 is built separately and they already have the older iDrive equipment pre-made for it. He also said that MY18 M2 would definitely have it, no question.

Getting into speculation, he added that they technically could change the iDrive 5.0 sometime during mid MY17 production, so maybe we can't rule out the possibility for a change next year sometime.

One more thing: I was talking face to face with this gentleman, and I asked him TWICE if he was SURE and he said YES both times.

He was also blowing complete smoke up your ass too...

All F87 have the HU_High2 Headunit which has iDrive 5.0 Basic capability but is running id4++ GUI. The I-Level update released last night, will supposedly release iDrive 5.0 GUI on these cars. Someone will confirm this fairly soon. Cars with 3/16 - 7/16 build dates have the official ID5+ HU part number (there are 3 versions of IDrive 5.0 : 5 Basic, 5+, and 5++). This version will be retrofitable with Apple CarPlay after it becomes available in August.

The Pricing Guide (which no one else has apparently looked at so far), shows the standard features only compatible with ID5, and the options in Exec Pack of wireless charging and WiFi hotspot require ID5 as well.

7ME - M Driver's Pack finally is mentioned and the poorly phrased reference was a bad attempt to avoid confusion that STD 840 - Increased Top Speed, an unusual code to appear on an M car, has anything to do with the additional top speed increase with 7ME which is a standalone option, priced at $2500 and is not discountable. The dealer is charged the same amount as the MSRP and retrofit will be the same amount as well.

Hopefully this ends any doubt.

[kylejdavidson]

Originally Posted by miamiten

He was also blowing complete smoke up your ass too...

All F87 have the HU_High2 Headunit which has iDrive 5.0 Basic capability but is running id4++ GUI. The I-Level update released last night, will supposedly release iDrive 5.0 GUI on these cars. Someone will confirm this fairly soon. Cars with 3/16 - 7/16 build dates have the official ID5 HU_High2 Headunit Part Number that will be retrofitable with Apple CarPlay after it becomes available in August.

The Pricing Guide (which no one else has apparently looked at so far), shows the standard features only compatible with ID5, and the options in Exec Pack of wireless charging and WiFi hotspot require ID5 as well.

7ME - M Driver's Pack finally is mentioned and the poorly phrased reference was a bad attempt to avoid confusion that STD 840 - Increased Top Speed, an unusual code to appear on an M car, has anything to do with the additional top speed increase with 7ME which is a standalone option, priced at $2500 and is not discountable. The dealer is charged the same amount as the MSRP and retrofit will be the same amount as well.

Hopefully this ends any doubt.

This was so incredibly helpful. Thank you.

[2M]

Originally Posted by miamiten

He was also blowing complete smoke up your ass too...

All F87 have the HU_High2 Headunit which has iDrive 5.0 Basic capability but is running id4++ GUI. The I-Level update released last night, will supposedly release iDrive 5.0 GUI on these cars. Someone will confirm this fairly soon. Cars with 3/16 - 7/16 build dates have the official ID5+ HU part number (there are 3 versions of IDrive 5.0 : 5 Basic, 5+, and 5++). This version will be retrofitable with Apple CarPlay after it becomes available in August.

The Pricing Guide (which no one else has apparently looked at so far), shows the standard features only compatible with ID5, and the options in Exec Pack of wireless charging and WiFi hotspot require ID5 as well.

7ME - M Driver's Pack finally is mentioned and the poorly phrased reference was a bad attempt to avoid confusion that STD 840 - Increased Top Speed, an unusual code to appear on an M car, has anything to do with the additional top speed increase with 7ME which is a standalone option, priced at $2500 and is not discountable. The dealer is charged the same amount as the MSRP and retrofit will be the same amount as well.

Hopefully this ends any doubt.

Soooo, M.Y 16 will be capable of running the 5.0 ?

[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by miamiten

He was also blowing complete smoke up your ass too...

All F87 have the HU_High2 Headunit which has iDrive 5.0 Basic capability but is running id4++ GUI. The I-Level update released last night, will supposedly release iDrive 5.0 GUI on these cars. Someone will confirm this fairly soon. Cars with 3/16 - 7/16 build dates have the official ID5+ HU part number (there are 3 versions of IDrive 5.0 : 5 Basic, 5+, and 5++). This version will be retrofitable with Apple CarPlay after it becomes available in August.

The Pricing Guide (which no one else has apparently looked at so far), shows the standard features only compatible with ID5, and the options in Exec Pack of wireless charging and WiFi hotspot require ID5 as well.

7ME - M Driver's Pack finally is mentioned and the poorly phrased reference was a bad attempt to avoid confusion that STD 840 - Increased Top Speed, an unusual code to appear on an M car, has anything to do with the additional top speed increase with 7ME which is a standalone option, priced at $2500 and is not discountable. The dealer is charged the same amount as the MSRP and retrofit will be the same amount as well.

Hopefully this ends any doubt.

I wonder if the other dealer meant that the M2 just wouldn't be getting any upgraded idrive hardware (higher res screen, etc...) but would retain its current hardware with the 5.0 update.

[gmzanatta]

Originally Posted by 2M

Soooo, M.Y 16 will be capable of running the 5.0 ?

Technically yes, but it's up to BMW to update with proper software (incl. enabling CarPlay).

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by miamiten

He was also blowing complete smoke up your ass too...

All F87 have the HU_High2 Headunit which has iDrive 5.0 Basic capability but is running id4++ GUI. The I-Level update released last night, will supposedly release iDrive 5.0 GUI on these cars. Someone will confirm this fairly soon. Cars with 3/16 - 7/16 build dates have the official ID5+ HU part number (there are 3 versions of IDrive 5.0 : 5 Basic, 5+, and 5++). This version will be retrofitable with Apple CarPlay after it becomes available in August.

The Pricing Guide (which no one else has apparently looked at so far), shows the standard features only compatible with ID5, and the options in Exec Pack of wireless charging and WiFi hotspot require ID5 as well.

7ME - M Driver's Pack finally is mentioned and the poorly phrased reference was a bad attempt to avoid confusion that STD 840 - Increased Top Speed, an unusual code to appear on an M car, has anything to do with the additional top speed increase with 7ME which is a standalone option, priced at $2500 and is not discountable. The dealer is charged the same amount as the MSRP and retrofit will be the same amount as well.

Hopefully this ends any doubt.

Cool. I now wonder if he got confused and meant it will retain the past year's lower-res head unit, since he was talking about the hardware.

[omasou]

Originally Posted by miamiten

All F87 have the HU_High2 Headunit which has iDrive 5.0 Basic capability but is running id4++ GUI. The I-Level update released last night, will supposedly release iDrive 5.0 GUI on these cars. Someone will confirm this fairly soon. Cars with 3/16 - 7/16 build dates have the official ID5+ HU part number (there are 3 versions of IDrive 5.0 : 5 Basic, 5+, and 5++). This version will be retrofitable with Apple CarPlay after it becomes available in August.

Where can we source details such as these for ourselves in the future.

Originally Posted by miamiten

The Pricing Guide (which no one else has apparently looked at so far), shows the standard features only compatible with ID5, and the options in Exec Pack of wireless charging and WiFi hotspot require ID5 as well.

Where do we find these? The attachments are too small and unreadable.

[omasou]

Originally Posted by miamiten

7ME - M Driver's Pack finally is mentioned and the poorly phrased reference was a bad attempt to avoid confusion that STD 840 - Increased Top Speed, an unusual code to appear on an M car, has anything to do with the additional top speed increase with 7ME which is a standalone option, priced at $2500 and is not discountable. The dealer is charged the same amount as the MSRP and retrofit will be the same amount as well.

So 840 Increase top speed limiter is now standard and 7ME M Driver's Package is an option that has no relationship to 840. Which is I guess what you said above?

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by masou

So 840 Increase top speed limiter is now standard and 7ME M Driver's Package is an option that has no relationship to 840. Which is I guess what you said above?

840 is a forced option code for ordering and internal vehicle management and has been on the M2 from the beginning. It's due to the N55 engine designation and base DME software package. Without it, the top speed would be limited to 137mph. This combination of a forced option and a charge option which contain the same three words as a description has never occurred before and is meant to give clarification for those using the internal system.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by gmzanatta

Technically yes, but it's up to BMW to update with proper software (incl. enabling CarPlay).

CarPlay has a small hardware dependency. BMW was the first to move to a proprietary Connected Car Open Source API with cross platform compatibility (CCC MirrorLink for tethered, Genivi for fully embedded). On its own, it could somewhat be compared to CarPlay and Android Auto themselves. Theoretically, any app or function supported by Android Auto could be directly integrated into iDrive 5.0+. With MY17 Connected App Compatibility, there will be numerous Apps available through the Connected Drive Store both online or directly from the car. Tethering with an external device won't be necessary unless the vehicle does not have an active data account.

Apple is being a bit stubborn and forcing CarPlay with a partially external integration to be adapted, which requires its own regulatory certification.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by masou

Where can we source details such as these for ourselves in the future.

Where do we find these? The attachments are too small and unreadable.

ETK (the electronic BMW Parts Catalog) is readily accessible through realoem, etkcc, and BMW.com (the global site only). If you're unfamiliar with this, so some research to learn how to understand the nuances of determining part number validity dates.

The Pricing and Order Guides for almost all MY17 are on the "other" site, but I'd wait a few days to make sure the correct release versions are added. I was looking at them through the internal system very late last night and someone was actively pulling, blocking, and re-releasing revised versions at that hour. Some of the MY17 cars are already sitting in port, some are in transit, and others are intentionally blocked for release (due to last run P1 status MY16 Spartanburg X series that were damaged in the hail storm. Customers were given the option to wait for an identical spec vehicle to be built in lieu of a repaired vehicle, but all remaining MY16 slots were no longer in change order positions, so MY17 first run is specifically for these cars).

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

I wonder if the other dealer meant that the M2 just wouldn't be getting any upgraded idrive hardware (higher res screen, etc...) but would retain its current hardware with the 5.0 update.

It's likely due to the fact the person is a BMW Genius Rep. I won't say all of them are unreliable when it comes to detailed information on system architectures and design, but the vast majority of them are trained to be live user manuals. For the most part, good sales associates use their Psychological Skills to achieve high closing rates and thus, earn a good living. Time spent on tasks outside of this, such as delivery and post sale assistance, is detrimental. The BMW Genius Program (it came from a collaborative group I was involved with), is run on a way that doesn't utilize the full potential possible, nor can it in certain states. The true limitation is the cap on the program budget. The pay plan isn't that high and people with an interest and ability to provide it with full potential are able to find employment in other tech area with substantially higher income.

As to ID5, there are a number of factors that influence what may or may not be offered. The Graphics output is one issue though it appears that is accounted for in the latest vehicle software update for cars with HU High 2, but there is also the touch controller. Not for its layout, rather, the G11/12 and MY17 and cars receiving the "official" ID5 update have no wired connection to a touch box controller. Instead, the controller connects directly to the headunit and includes an additional USB input specific to the controller inside the center armrest for Updates and Conneted Touch Device registration.

[Ramos]

So can someone elaborate on what you get in the $2500 M Drivers package?

[andrettifan]

I don't even know what an "iDrive" is. The only iDrive I know is when I'm in my car in the driver's seat. Guess if the 2017 doesn't get it, I won't miss it.

Confession: I don't even have a cell phone. Really. I'm a Luddite.

[lemetier]

Originally Posted by Ramos

So can someone elaborate on what you get in the $2500 M Drivers package?

Right now only the basics can be given:

- 1 Complimentary Voucher for an Advanced Driving School which must be completed. */**/***

- Supplement Tire Pressure Label

- Increased Top Speed Limiter to 270km/h after 1200mi and activation procedure performed.

* - Proof of previous attendance of BMW Advanced M Driver Training or BMW Precision Driver Training may be applied in lieu on condition.

** - Holders of valid SCCA, FIA, IMSA Licences are exempt upon presentation and verification of proof

*** - No credit is provided when alternative credentials are used.

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by zenmaster

Cool. I now wonder if he got confused and meant it will retain the past year's lower-res head unit, since he was talking about the hardware.

The BMW Canada release says clearly the iDrive 5.0 will include the enhanced graphics and increased display resolution. It will need the new iDrive controller too, for the new buttons included with 5.0. So again, should have this hardware too.

I would assume if they do that for Canada they are not going to switch back to the old display and controller for the US. Though it is still without touchscreen that was in the 7 series iDrive 5.0 roll out.

[zenmaster]

Originally Posted by Bluenose-1er

The BMW Canada release says clearly the iDrive 5.0 will include the enhanced graphics and increased display resolution. It will need the new iDrive controller too, for the new buttons included with 5.0. So again, should have this hardware too.

I would assume if they do that for Canada they are not going to switch back to the old display and controller for the US. Though it is still without touchscreen that was in the 7 series iDrive 5.0 roll out.

I wouldn't think they'd be different either. I'll tell him this info and see what he says.

[Ramos]

Originally Posted by miamiten

Right now only the basics can be given:

- 1 Complimentary Voucher for an Advanced Driving School which must be completed. */**/***

- Supplement Tire Pressure Label

- Increased Top Speed Limiter to 270km/h after 1200mi and activation procedure performed.

* - Proof of previous attendance of BMW Advanced M Driver Training or BMW Precision Driver Training may be applied in lieu on condition.

** - Holders of valid SCCA, FIA, IMSA Licences are exempt upon presentation and verification of proof

*** - No credit is provided when alternative credentials are used.

Wait, so it's $2500 for a track day and a speed limit increase from 250 to 270 KM/H?

Ummmm.. no thanks

[MTHRAR]

Originally Posted by Ramos

Wait, so it's $2500 for a track day and a speed limit increase from 250 to 270 KM/H?

Ummmm.. no thanks

I think the advanced school (if it's the 2 day) is upwards of $4k to $5k, so really not bad if you are considering doing the school anyway. I wish I had this option (if it's the two day school) because I plan on doing this with a good friend of mine next year. The full cost is a little hard to swallow though at $4k plus! I have a MY16, so early birds did not get this option.

[omasou]

Originally Posted by MTHRAR

I think the advanced school (if it's the 2 day) is upwards of $4k to $5k, so really not bad if you are considering doing the school anyway. I wish I had this option (if it's the two day school) because I plan on doing this with a good friend of mine next year. The full cost is a little hard to swallow though at $4k plus! I have a MY16, so early birds did not get this option.

I asked my dealer if the 7ME M Driver's Package is one of the normal M Schools, http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Conte.../PDS/#mschool? If the two day or advanced then the option is a discount on the school. If one day then no. Hopefully, he gets some info soon.