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      04-17-2016, 08:47 AM   #67
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Dude is way too close to the wheel.
Funny. Thought the same thing. Looks like "grandma driving style". Imagine what the M2 can do with a proper driver behind the wheel
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Funny. Thought the same thing. Looks like "grandma driving style". Imagine what the M2 can do with a proper driver behind the wheel
Proceed with caution. :P
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Funny. Thought the same thing. Looks like "grandma driving style". Imagine what the M2 can do with a proper driver behind the wheel
Your post is one of two:

a) Tongue in cheek sarcasm at those here who have posted similar sentiments without having any real track/racing experience

b) Your honest opinion, most likely posted without reading about who the driver is and how common it is for professional race drivers to sit like that


So, which is it?

I think more drivers should learn about how to adjust the seat and steering wheel for better car control while tracking or high performance driving.




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Dude is way too close to the wheel.
Did a track training course the other day in a few ferrari's and all the coach's told me to sit closer the steering wheel which at first was really weird but after a while I felt like I had a better feel of the car. Looked and felt like i was sitting on the steering wheel.
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I'm not posting to detract from any 'seasoned' track rats, but I always get a kick out of all of the 'pros' that appear when it comes to critiquing someone else's driving.
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Dude is way too close to the wheel.
My understanding is that sitting closer than expected is preferable for leverage on the steering wheel, per the instructors at AMG Driving Academy.
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I'm not posting to detract from any 'seasoned' track rats, but I always get a kick out of all of the 'pros' that appear when it comes to critiquing someone else's driving.
Especially the folks saying he's a bad driver... I'd LOVE to see any one of them pull a 1:12 in the car. I would bet not one person in this discussion could do it (well, I suppose it's possible someone here could but it would be the absolute exception).
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The new M2 seems good on a smaller track but on a track like the Nurburgring the numbers are not all that great (sort of like the 1/4 mile traps speed numbers). This reminds me of the WRX STI. Those 1/4 mile trap speeds I saw before of 107/108 MPH seem a bit way too low for me. 118-120 would be nice.
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Funny. Thought the same thing. Looks like "grandma driving style". Imagine what the M2 can do with a proper driver behind the wheel
Your post is one of two:

a) Tongue in cheek sarcasm at those here who have posted similar sentiments without having any real track/racing experience

b) Your honest opinion, most likely posted without reading about who the driver is and how common it is for professional race drivers to sit like that


So, which is it?

I think more drivers should learn about how to adjust the seat and steering wheel for better car control while tracking or high performance driving.



This explains why one does not have much space in the new Porsche Cayman and Boxster. I suppose a seating position is fine like that if you want to spend 30-90 minutes at the track but to have to drive around all day like in a car on a daily basis would give one some serious back and leg problems unless one was under 5 feet tall.
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The new M2 seems good on a smaller track but on a track like the Nurburgring the numbers are not all that great (sort of like the 1/4 mile traps speed numbers). This reminds me of the WRX STI. Those 1/4 mile trap speeds I saw before of 107/108 MPH seem a bit way too low for me. 118-120 would be nice.
Those with an eagle on dragstrip numbers have indicated other runs of 113-114 mph if that makes you sleep better ..

As far as the " not all that great " Nurburgring time , there are also rumors of an S55 powered 2 series chassis ( some like to call it.. CS .) that has lapped the Nurburgring faster than an M4..

if high top speed and drag strip times are important to you then absolutely the M4 is what you want.
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if high top speed and drag strip times are important to you then absolutely the M4 is what you want.
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True, but unless you live in Europe and track the nurburgring, would say that most tracks in the US are 3.5 miles or less. The M2 would favor most US tracks....smaller, more nimble, and smooth power usually wins the game, especially in amateur hands. Will be interesting to see more US track tests come out, including some longer ones like VIR.

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The new M2 seems good on a smaller track but on a track like the Nurburgring the numbers are not all that great (sort of like the 1/4 mile traps speed numbers). This reminds me of the WRX STI. Those 1/4 mile trap speeds I saw before of 107/108 MPH seem a bit way too low for me. 118-120 would be nice.
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The new M2 seems good on a smaller track but on a track like the Nurburgring the numbers are not all that great (sort of like the 1/4 mile traps speed numbers). This reminds me of the WRX STI. Those 1/4 mile trap speeds I saw before of 107/108 MPH seem a bit way too low for me. 118-120 would be nice.
118-120 would be in the M4 territory, BMW won't let that happen.
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The new M2 seems good on a smaller track but on a track like the Nurburgring the numbers are not all that great (sort of like the 1/4 mile traps speed numbers). This reminds me of the WRX STI. Those 1/4 mile trap speeds I saw before of 107/108 MPH seem a bit way too low for me. 118-120 would be nice.
Yep, regardless of how you slice it, small tracks will favor the M2 while mid to large size tracks will favor the M3 / M4. Kind of a nice balance there actually.

As for the 1/4 mile times, the 107/108 time is indeed strange. While I don't think you will see repeatable numbers of 114/115, I think it will settle nicely around 110/111.
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What brake pads did they use.... those don't sound like stock
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Especially the folks saying he's a bad driver... I'd LOVE to see any one of them pull a 1:12 in the car. I would bet not one person in this discussion could do it (well, I suppose it's possible someone here could but it would be the absolute exception).
I'm sure we've got a member or two, here, capable of putting down some solid times, but I just never saw the point in knocking someone's driving skills over the forum.

If we had a member at the track with said driver and totally killed his time, then great, but that's way far from the case in 99.87324% of these thread debates.

I believe M3Adjuster is an instructor, isn't he? I'd wager his thoughts would be a little more valid than others, but hey, we're clearly not short on 'pro' drivers on this forum.
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Doesn't appear to be left foot braking either.
I hope not.
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Especially the folks saying he's a bad driver... I'd LOVE to see any one of them pull a 1:12 in the car. I would bet not one person in this discussion could do it (well, I suppose it's possible someone here could but it would be the absolute exception).
I'm sure we've got a member or two, here, capable of putting down some solid times, but I just never saw the point in knocking someone's driving skills over the forum.

If we had a member at the track with said driver and totally killed his time, then great, but that's way far from the case in 99.87324% of these thread debates.

I believe M3Adjuster is an instructor, isn't he? I'd wager his thoughts would be a little more valid than others, but hey, we're clearly not short on 'pro' drivers on this forum.
Give me the car, I would give it a shot, again, and again, and again......and, can I get some new tires?
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Dude is way too close to the wheel.
Funny. Thought the same thing. Looks like "grandma driving style". Imagine what the M2 can do with a proper driver behind the wheel
Believe it or not, gangsta lean drift yo! is not faster.
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True, but unless you live in Europe and track the nurburgring, would say that most tracks in the US are 3.5 miles or less. The M2 would favor most US tracks....smaller, more nimble, and smooth power usually wins the game, especially in amateur hands. Will be interesting to see more US track tests come out, including some longer ones like VIR.
This is especially relevant considering that the vast majority of people don't live near a major venue (e.g., VIR). I'd venture that most track days are held at smaller club circuits. For example, here in SoFL, Palm Beach International Raceway is very popular. The long circuit is only 2 mi, and it's on the long side for a club circuit. Hockenheim Short is 1.6 mi. The M2 is, IMO, a very good choice for people who want to go club racing, but don't have the budget for a new Cayman S.
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This is especially relevant considering that the vast majority of people don't live near a major venue (e.g., VIR). I'd venture that most track days are held at smaller club circuits. For example, here in SoFL, Palm Beach International Raceway is very popular. The long circuit is only 2 mi, and it's on the long side for a club circuit. Hockenheim Short is 1.6 mi. The M2 is, IMO, a very good choice for people who want to go club racing, but don't have the budget for a new Cayman S.
Apart from the budget(In my country an M2 is from € 80k and a Cayman S from € 90k to start with so that shouldn't be the biggest problem) , the M2 is 0.6s faster than a 981 Cayman S @ Hockenheim Short, and because of FR layout and more torque it can and will be more fun for many(like me), but I get what you're saying. I also think an M2 is 100 times more eyecandy than any Cayman except for GT4, sorry....

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Why am I hearing the squeal of non-OEM track pads? If that's the case this time is not a legitimate time for what is supposedly an OEM car.
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