[Denso]

Originally Posted by Levi

Yep, and that is what it should be like:

M2 CSL

• Keyless-Entry Standard
• No A/C
• No iDrive (Navi)
• No Radio/Loudspeekers
• No Shark Antenna
• No Head-Up-Display!!! (totally useless)
• Oil Temp and Boost Gauge in Instrument Cluster
• S55 Engine + M Performance Power Kit (not detuned but 460-480 PS like potential M3 CRT/M4 GTS)
• Short Shift 6 MT
• M Wide Body Kit (not JDM style)
• CF Barrel 19" Wheels (like i8) of M3/M4 Size
• Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Tires
• Alcantara Upholstery with Contrast Stitching
• Lightweight Floor Mats
• Lightweight Glass/Windows
• Lightweight CF Front and Rear Seats (no rollcage)
• CF Interior Trim
• CF Interior Door and Rear Panels
• CF Doors
• CF Hood
• CF Roof
• CF Trunk
• CF Front Lip
• CF Rear Diffuser
• CF Driveshaft
• CF Side Mirror Covers
• CF Engine Cover
• CF Airbox
• M Performance Titanium Exhaust with CF Tips (Akrapovic)
• M Performance Ceramic Brakes in Color of Contrast Stitching (Brembo)
• M Performance Adjustable Coilovers (KW)
• M Badges on: Steering Wheel, Shift Knob, Foot Rest, Instrument Cluster, Floor Mats, Door Sills, Side Gills, Wheels, Brake Calipers, Engine Cover, Exhaust Tips
• Shadow-Line for: Window Trim, Side Gills, Kidney Grill, Mesh Grills, Wheel Centre
• LED Headlight, Taillights, Turn Signals, Brake Lights and Interior Lighting
• Black-Line Taillights

sounds great but will cost a fortune so it is very unlikely to ever appear in that spec. I did think that they could do a limited run starter model to commemorate the first ever M2 of say a 1000 worldwide that could be specced in whatever way your budget could afford.

[ska///235i]

Seriously..no AC???

Ahahahahah

[bitcore]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

Seriously..no AC???

Ahahahahah

What he wants is the M235i Racing with street tags and suede interior.
No A/C? I'd rather walk. In fact, I want better AC - why not a hot weather package???

[hans007]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

1M started at $47k with limited production was a way for BMW to test the waters and also hype up the market for the new era of M cars (turbo I6, etc). BMW is going to make the M2 their bread & butter for their performance cars. They dont have to sell this one (M2) cheap cuz they now know theres a market for it. Also we have to see where the competition is at, amg45 starts $50s so my guess will be starting low to mid $50k

uh the CLA45AMG starts at 47500

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by hans007

uh the CLA45AMG starts at 47500

Oops lol

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by hans007

uh the CLA45AMG starts at 47500

Yea so that is going to put an upper limit on the M2

[hans007]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

Yea so that is going to put an upper limit on the M2

i think 51-53k base is going to be what its going to end up costing given the M235i is already a very good car. i mean a 1m was what $7-8k more than a 135is so that seems like it'd make sense if you are giving it roughly the same additional equipment

a semi comparable AUDI would be the TT-RS when they offered it (yeah yeah, it only has 2 seats). It was $57k , but it came basically loaded (19" wheels, nappa leather, etc). A fairly optioned M2 at $57k I think seems reasonable.

[BMW269]

Originally Posted by ska325xi

Seriously..no AC???

Ahahahahah

No AC. When I lived in south Italy, where temperature is about 40-45° C, I still never used AC, just had open windows. I get ill when I am in an AC room/space.

Originally Posted by bitcore

What he wants is the M235i Racing with street tags and suede interior.
No A/C? I'd rather walk. In fact, I want better AC - why not a hot weather package???

You want ventilated seats too?

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by bitcore

What he wants is the M235i Racing with street tags and suede interior.
No A/C? I'd rather walk. In fact, I want better AC - why not a hot weather package???

A hot weather package is a great idea - does BMW have ventilated seats in any of their cars? Caddys have had that for a while...so nice when the temp and humidity get up there.

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by Levi

No AC. When I lived in south Italy, where temperature is about 40-45° C, I still never used AC, just had open windows. I get ill when I am in an AC room/space.




You want ventilated seats too?

You, my friend, are a rare bird...no AC would be a deal breaker for me - this isn't a CSL...

[SCOTT26]

Originally Posted by Levi

Yep, and that is what it should be like:

M2 CSL

• Keyless-Entry Standard
• No A/C
• No iDrive (Navi)
• No Radio/Loudspeekers
• No Shark Antenna
• No Head-Up-Display!!! (totally useless)
• Oil Temp and Boost Gauge in Instrument Cluster
• S55 Engine + M Performance Power Kit (not detuned but 460-480 PS like potential M3 CRT/M4 GTS)
• Short Shift 6 MT
• M Wide Body Kit (not JDM style)
• CF Barrel 19" Wheels (like i8) of M3/M4 Size
• Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 Tires
• Alcantara Upholstery with Contrast Stitching
• Lightweight Floor Mats
• Lightweight Glass/Windows
• Lightweight CF Front and Rear Seats (no rollcage)
• CF Interior Trim
• CF Interior Door and Rear Panels
• CF Doors
• CF Hood
• CF Roof
• CF Trunk
• CF Front Lip
• CF Rear Diffuser
• CF Driveshaft
• CF Side Mirror Covers
• CF Engine Cover
• CF Airbox
• M Performance Titanium Exhaust with CF Tips (Akrapovic)
• M Performance Ceramic Brakes in Color of Contrast Stitching (Brembo)
• M Performance Adjustable Coilovers (KW)
• M Badges on: Steering Wheel, Shift Knob, Foot Rest, Instrument Cluster, Floor Mats, Door Sills, Side Gills, Wheels, Brake Calipers, Engine Cover, Exhaust Tips
• Shadow-Line for: Window Trim, Side Gills, Kidney Grill, Mesh Grills, Wheel Centre
• LED Headlight, Taillights, Turn Signals, Brake Lights and Interior Lighting
• Black-Line Taillights

Its an ambitious list. In which some listed will be standard and optional equipment. IF we do a lightweight M2 (emphasis on IF). Then I do not see it being offered in the USA because of the cost to get some items from the above past legislation.
For now there will be an M2.

[BMWKLR]

Originally Posted by bitcore

What he wants is the M235i Racing with street tags and suede interior.
No A/C? I'd rather walk. In fact, I want better AC - why not a hot weather package???

I would want the seat ventilation no matter what the weight.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Its an ambitious list. In which some listed will be standard and optional equipment. IF we do a lightweight M2 (emphasis on IF). Then I do not see it being offered in the USA because of the cost to get some items from the above past legislation.
For now there will be an M2.

Or be creative BMW and make a good lightweight option/package for the M2 that can be sold in the US

[GordoCLM]

Originally Posted by OverDriven

Because there is a wider side skirt that has not been added. I can't wait to see it with the full M body kit.

I hope so.. the 235i Racing version has no wider side skirt..

[STARSKI]

I'll be keeping my 1M but I do hope they make it outrageous looking like they did with the 1M. Those giant flares on that little car are so cool to look at. It makes my e92 M3 look tame in comparison. I am thinking about trading the M3 in for the new one next year though but for some reason like the way the sedan looks better than the coupe so far and I'm a coupe guy.

[hans007]

Originally Posted by antzcrashing

Or be creative BMW and make a good lightweight option/package for the M2 that can be sold in the US

realistically you'd have to figure they know they'd sell a really small amount of this and it wouldn't be worth the cost.

just a random poll , if bmw did make an ultra light M2 CSL like the guy above listed and it cost say $100k, how many of you guys who could afford it would consider it? (what he listed is like, a m235i racing, with a bunch of CF parts and the m235i racing costs ~$80k)

I know i'd probably never consider it , but im sure tehres a market out there. a small one.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by hans007

realistically you'd have to figure they know they'd sell a really small amount of this and it wouldn't be worth the cost.

just a random poll , if bmw did make an ultra light M2 CSL like the guy above listed and it cost say $100k, how many of you guys who could afford it would consider it? (what he listed is like, a m235i racing, with a bunch of CF parts and the m235i racing costs ~$80k)

I know i'd probably never consider it , but im sure tehres a market out there. a small one.

Im talking about a lightweight package on an M2, an option you can tick with your order, not a full blown car which Scott has said is not likely for usa (because of regulations). But to your point no very few would spend 100k on a fully CSL M2

[BMW269]

Why would 100K for the M2 CSL as I listed about be to much, when it would be the fastest BMW ever built, be faster than more expensive 911CS, R8, M6? Yet many spend 30K for "sh*t" with a BMW badge?

[qba335i]

Originally Posted by Levi

Why would 100K for the M2 CSL as I listed about be to much, when it would be the fastest BMW ever built, be faster than more expensive 911CS, R8, M6? Yet many spend 30K for "sh*t" with a BMW badge?

Reason: 100k gets you a decent P-car.

[hans007]

Originally Posted by qba335i

Reason: 100k gets you a decent P-car.

On a similar note, this is kind of my idea with how they can't price the M2 out of control.


I mean a base boxster / cayman is $50-52k (+$8-9k for a S). yes its got way less power and standard features than an M2 will. (who knows when the 2.0 turbo engine comes in how this affects this theory depending on pricing)

but for most people out there if they are going to spend $60k ish on a car, and you have a low spec porsche and a high spec 2 series.

i'd probably get the M2, but the boxster / cayman starts to enter the conversation since its in the same price bracket and that is not something BMW can compete with (the "its a porsche" factor)

[Meeni]

Originally Posted by Levi

No AC. When I lived in south Italy, where temperature is about 40-45° C, I still never used AC, just had open windows. I get ill when I am in an AC room/space.

Not an option in south-east US. The problem is not temperature (well, air temperature in the 40's is painful, much worse that what is found in Italy where air temperature is moderate, altough sun exposure can lead to heavy surface temperature, but it could be tolerated), the problem is the constant 98% moisture.

Not running the AC will melt away the interior paint, the car would grow mildew everywhere and be uterly uncomfortable. Believe me, I thought the same when I lived in europe, but you cannot pass AC in southern US if you want to use the car for DD purpose between may and october. July and August, water does not evaporate from your skin, if you get wet, it's definitive.

[antzcrashing]

Originally Posted by Meeni

Not an option in south-east US. The problem is not temperature (well, air temperature in the 40's is painful, much worse that what is found in Italy where air temperature is moderate, altough sun exposure can lead to heavy surface temperature, but it could be tolerated), the problem is the constant 98% moisture.

Not running the AC will melt away the interior paint, the car would grow mildew everywhere and be uterly uncomfortable. Believe me, I thought the same when I lived in europe, but you cannot pass AC in southern US if you want to use the car for DD purpose between may and october. July and August, water does not evaporate from your skin, if you get wet, it's definitive.

Not the point of a CSL. Its a car that is garaged most of the year for the 5 beautifully sunny 68 degree spring or summer days in new england. Its not a daily driver.