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      06-08-2019, 05:11 PM   #1
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And this is why I miss a V8 in my life

I come from a 2014 Mustang GT Track Pack.

I sold it, moved to Germany for 3 years, and bought an M2. Great little car, but when I get back home I will go back to a naturally aspirated V8 again. I miss that glorious V8 torque and HP building till 7000rpm. Looks like I'm not the only one feeling this way.

Both these American Muscle cars are quicker and power/torque delivery is more exciting and race car like. Plus they cost less.

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Yes both are faster 0-60 mph but neither will handle like your M2. The M2 may not be the fastest but it’s handling puts it in a class by itself.
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I will not disagree. The handling of the M2 is magical. I track it, so this is not lost on me. But the lack of top end kills the experience for me. I got out of a corner pretty fast, I feel happy. But then I reach 6000rpm and the experience gets disappointing.

If I could only swap a 500hp V8 into the M2 chassis without upsetting the weight distribution...
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Having made that detour with a 6th Gen Camaro, nostalgia may be playing tricks on you. While exhaust was great, and handling very very good, after about 8 months I took a loss and went back to an M. You just can't go back to sub or quality after having really good quality. That's me tho.
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Got Bootmod3 and you will have your 500 Hp!
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I've been away from a V8 for a while - last one was a C6 Corvette. Really enjoyed it while I had it, even considered a C7 a few times. A lot of bang for the buck. In the end, bought a new 128i 6 spd, then a '18 M2, and now await my M2C. Can't see myself ever going the Camaro/Mustang route.

To each their own!
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Yes both are faster 0-60 mph but neither will handle like your M2. The M2 may not be the fastest but itís handling puts it in a class by itself.
Depends what you mean by handling, but the Camaro SS 1LE handles better by many reports and all objective data.

This thread probably belongs in the VS section? Has nothing to do with the M2C.
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Depends what you mean by handling, but the Camaro SS 1LE handles better by many reports and all objective data.

This thread probably belongs in the VS section? Has nothing to do with the M2C.
So true...

This should go with it...

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...camaro-ss-1le/
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Got Bootmod3 and you will have your 500 Hp!
My grip is the shape of the dyno curve. What I'm really missing is the HP curve which keep building to over 7000 rpm. This high revving power is what I'm missing.

BM3 shifts the curves up, it can't change the shape of the curve though.
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And this relates to the M2C how?
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And this relates to the M2C how?
It doesnít at all.

And the LT1 engine in the Camaro is hardly a good example of high revving power if thatís what the OP wants. Should look at the power curve of S85 in contrast.
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Depends what you mean by handling, but the Camaro SS 1LE handles better by many reports and all objective data.

This thread probably belongs in the VS section? Has nothing to do with the M2C.
So true...

This should go with it...

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cul...camaro-ss-1le/
This was one of the most ridiculous reviews I've ever read. I am by no means a Camaro hater and a BMW super fan boy (had the 6th gen SS for a bit), but equating the 1LE with an e46 and an M2C with a COPO is just absurd.

I also love how they ignore that the M2C with more than PSS (e.g., with a tire close to the 1LE's track/street focused tire) would be a very different car. The PSS are the handicap. Also, all of their times are "estimated" due to a tire issue with the M2C... eye roll

Lastly, they spend the whole time shitting on the M2C to then say at the end that man is the Camaro to big and not fun on the road or the canyons and the M2C is.....

E46 equivalent my ass.
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Clearly I'm venting about turbo 6 inadequacies to the wrong crowd. It is a matter of personal preference I suppose, and for me owning an M2 showed me how much I REALLY enjoy a V8. And t be clear I'm not talking peak numbers, I'm talking about high revving power than encourages you to rev north of 7000rpm instead of short shifting at 5500rpm.

And I'm serious, a V8 swap into an M2 would be pretty frikkin amazing in my opinion.

The reason I posted this here is because the video makes a few references to the M2C. It had the lap record at that "track" until the Mustang and Camaro showed up. I really though I'd find a drivers car with the M2. And in many ways it is. But it's missing a few key elements like high end power. And I miss my Mustang. Heavily modified in terms of suspension and handling, but still way less expensive than the M2. And with better sound and better track numbers. I do think the M2 is a special car. But it's missing the magic of a V8 powertrain.
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Clearly I'm venting about turbo 6 inadequacies to the wrong crowd. It is a matter of personal preference I suppose, and for me owning an M2 showed me how much I REALLY enjoy a V8. And t be clear I'm not talking peak numbers, I'm talking about high revving power than encourages you to rev north of 7000rpm instead of short shifting at 5500rpm.

And I'm serious, a V8 swap into an M2 would be pretty frikkin amazing in my opinion.

The reason I posted this here is because the video makes a few references to the M2C. It had the lap record at that "track" until the Mustang and Camaro showed up. I really though I'd find a drivers car with the M2. And in many ways it is. But it's missing a few key elements like high end power. And I miss my Mustang. Heavily modified in terms of suspension and handling, but still way less expensive than the M2. And with better sound and better track numbers. I do think the M2 is a special car. But it's missing the magic of a V8 powertrain.
I know where youíre coming from. Iím adding an M2C, but couldnít let my GT350 go in place of it.
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Clearly I'm venting about turbo 6 inadequacies to the wrong crowd. It is a matter of personal preference I suppose, and for me owning an M2 showed me how much I REALLY enjoy a V8. And t be clear I'm not talking peak numbers, I'm talking about high revving power than encourages you to rev north of 7000rpm instead of short shifting at 5500rpm.

And I'm serious, a V8 swap into an M2 would be pretty frikkin amazing in my opinion.

The reason I posted this here is because the video makes a few references to the M2C. It had the lap record at that "track" until the Mustang and Camaro showed up. I really though I'd find a drivers car with the M2. And in many ways it is. But it's missing a few key elements like high end power. And I miss my Mustang. Heavily modified in terms of suspension and handling, but still way less expensive than the M2. And with better sound and better track numbers. I do think the M2 is a special car. But it's missing the magic of a V8 powertrain.
I've heard the m3cs rewards revving it out a bit more and of course the s55 had 7600 limit. Perhaps a CS tune on an s55 will help?

Myself I think about picking up an old e90 m3 for some high revving action in a practical modern-ish car.
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I know where youíre coming from. Iím adding an M2C, but couldnít let my GT350 go in place of it.
This. GT350 for the track and M2C as a daily. If you can swing it why not? I love it!

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I've heard the m3cs rewards revving it out a bit more and of course the s55 had 7600 limit. Perhaps a CS tune on an s55 will help?

Myself I think about picking up an old e90 m3 for some high revving action in a practical modern-ish car.
I like where you head is at. Hard to argue with that strategy.
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Boy that Mustang sounds so sexy. Ford has done a great job making the Coyote engine sound like an old muscle car.
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Yes both are faster 0-60 mph but neither will handle like your M2. The M2 may not be the fastest but itís handling puts it in a class by itself.
Have you looked at the Mustang with the PP2? Comes with a bunch of handling upgrades over a garden variety Mustang and also includes big fat Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires, which are incredible tires. Probably not the best choice for the street, but the PP2 Mustang is a track monster.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford...t-test-review/
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no question the NA and Blown V8's shit all over turbo sounds.

e92 with exhaust sounded like a small block winding to the moon.

S55 sounds like a honda with a fart can

and yet I bought an S55, not a v-8

sound isn't everything.
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It's worth noting they made sure the two muscle cars were on the same rubber for that test. The BMW was from an older test and was not on the same tires.

Not saying the BMW would be faster, and I believe one of the camaro or mustang was on the stock tires, but the other wasn't.

If all three were on the same tires the times would be closer.

I also think people should absolutely buy and drive what they like, and the OP has plenty of good and valid reasons for preferring muscle cars. The mustang and the camaro are really good these days and if the M2 didn't exist, I'd be giving them both a very serious look.
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different classes of car and different type of buyers... the camaro and mustang your paying for the engine and performance and they throw in the rest of the car for free. The M2 is suppose to be a sporty luxury car that can do track duties if needed.
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