[________]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Alfa QV did 7:32, smokes that list

Cool story bro?

[Stanio]

This time is nothing to brag about...it really isn't even if you put a cup2 tires.
Maybe it's a fun car...but the time isn't impressive at all, especially considering that's slower than an Audi...on a track.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Stanio

This time is nothing to brag about...it really isn't even if you put a cup2 tires.

No one is bragging about anything. It did the same time as the M4 Sportauto tested. BMW knocked a couple seconds off their M4 time, with the M2C. In my opinion right where it should be.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Karmic Man

A “development car” with air con, front passenger seat and audio equipment removed + a roll cage + Cup 2 tires

Get a 2015 Type R from a dealer and drive straight to the Ring and you get 8:xx

He has reading comprehension issues.


The realworld...

MotorTrend(Laguna Seca)-
Type R - 1:44.22
BMW M4 - 1:39.69

[N & M]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

Civic Type R.....


I don't want to hear that shit anymore!





Cheers
Robin

Wiser words have not been spoken my friend.

[VCP]

Jörg is the man

[scflaw]

Originally Posted by VCP

Jörg is the man

It seemed like the car was under steering quite a bit, he was using a lot of the over runs. The driver is though.

[VCP]

Originally Posted by scflaw

It seemed like the car was under steering quite a bit, he was using a lot of the over runs. The driver is though.

I have no doubt it was, and yes he is

[Zombie_Head]

Originally Posted by cntzl

It was on R-comp tires which make a huge difference on a 13-mile track (at least 10+ seconds).

Edit: Not only tires but also further improvements. So basically it wasn't a fully stock car:

"Honda set the lap time with what they call a “pre-production model that was technically representative of production specification.” A floating roll cage was added for safety reasons, but Honda claims that the cage did not improve the rigidity of the frame. In order to compensate for the extra weight of the roll cage, Honda removed the rear seats and display audio system. The record-setting Type R was also outfitted with street-legal track focused tires. Honda declined to specify the actual tires used."

Which explains a LOT, so it is lighter than production models and seriously more grip.

Watching the M2C video again and again, those front tires definitely gave up and most likely overheated halfway through.

The more i think about it, the more i remember Sport Auto back in the mid 2000's having an obsession to reduce tire pressure on street tires. I believe they like to run 2.0 bar in the rear and 2.5 bar in the fronts on NOS track, unsure what they were running this test.

[amrk47]

nothing special about the time by M2C/M2, those are pig numbers

civic type r did much better with only a roll cage

even the previous gen type r did 7:50

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by amrk47

nothing special about the time by M2C/M2, those are pig numbers

civic type r did much better with only a roll cage

even the previous gen type r did 7:50

As an out of the box car with normal sports tyres it only did 8:05 .

Put some semis on M2C and it wil go <7:40 is my guess.


Apples & oranges.

Cheers
Robin

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by amrk47

nothing special about the time by M2C/M2, those are pig numbers

civic type r did much better with only a roll cage

even the previous gen type r did 7:50

Wow, I can't believe you're [COLOR="DarkRed"]seriously[/COLOR] comparing the two vehicles.. :

I don't care if a Type R can fly; me and any other sane person would obviously take a Twin Turbo 6, RWD BMW with a 100% locking e-diff anyday over a FWD Honda..

[COLOR="Navy"]#DUH[/COLOR]

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by ChrisK

Sport Auto and BMW times list for comparison (compiled by @rjd598 and @hellrotm):

-M4 GTS= 7:37 by Sport Auto
-M3 CS= 7:42 by Sport Auto
-M5 (F90)= 7:38 by Sport Auto
-M3 GTS= 7:48 by Sport Auto
-M3 CSL= 7:50 by Sport Auto
-M2 Comp= 7:52 by Sport Auto
-M4= 7:52 by Sport Auto
-M2= 8:01 by Sport Auto
-M3 (E92)= 8:05 by Sport Auto
-1M= 8:15 by Sport Auto

-M4 GTS= 7:28 by BMW
-M4cs= 7:35 by BMW
-M2 Comp= 7:50 by BMW
-M4= 7:52 by BMW
-M2= 7:58 by BMW

I don't believe BMW ever published lap times of the base M4 with a factory driver. The 7:52 time quoted in the original M4 press launch and the Sport Auto one is one and the same.

Small correction, as far as I know, Sport Auto never tested the M3cs. The 7:42 time is from the M4cs.

You could also add the 7:35 factory lap time for the M4cs .

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by amrk47

nothing special about the time by M2C/M2, those are pig numbers

civic type r did much better with only a roll cage

even the previous gen type r did 7:50

LOL, yes with only a roll cage

I have come across many Civic type-Rs at track days, a none have come even close to matching the pace of my old base M4. I know, I know, amateur track days don't mean much, but the pace difference is so important, it is still telling.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by RMB

I am surprised the time isn't better with the more powerful engine. That's still behind my nose heavy daily driver TTRS, let alone my NA GT4 with only 385 hp and not much torque. Is it the M2's weight that hurts it?

GT4 is on PSC2 tires. Further, the GT4 is a track focused car, whereas the M2C is still intended primarily as a practical daily driver with rear seats. I think it fairs pretty well given its intent.

That TT-RS is one nifty little beast though

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

Alfa QV did 7:32, smokes that list

And yet Alfa declined to lend a Giulia QV to Sport Auto for them to Supertest around the 'ring. I wonder why that is ?

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by hellrotm

No one is bragging about anything. It did the same time as the M4 Sportauto tested. BMW knocked a couple seconds off their M4 time, with the M2C. In my opinion right where it should be.

As posted previously, I don't believe BMW ever published a factory time for the base M4.

If I am not mistaken, the first "factory" time they ever published is from the M4 GTS.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by cntzl

Check this out :

"Hi guys, just one more information: The official lap time of BMW M testdriver Jörg Weidinger in the M2 Competition was 7.50 min"

It's impressive that Sport Auto was able to come that close to the factory lap time for the M2C. Usually the difference is much more than a mere 2 seconds. Kudos to the SA/AM&S driver .

[Saphirschwarz]

[yawn]

The fact that this car can have similar times to its big brother (base albeit), already speaks volumes about what the M2C is all about. And to think it is detuned as well.

[CanAutM3]

Originally Posted by yawn

The fact that this car can have similar times to its big brother (base albeit), already speaks volumes about what the M2C is all about. And to think it is detuned as well.

The M2C is benefitting of 4 years of continuous development of the F8X chassis. I am pretty sure that if they were to retest the latest version of the base M4, it would be slightly faster than the 2014 edition.

[Yellowflash21]

My mistake