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      09-24-2020, 11:47 AM   #309
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Wonder if BMW will go the same route as the G80 and announce both a regular M2 and a M2C at launch. Also, I wonder if they'll make 6 spd only for the base model as well... I was hoping to jump back into a 6 spd.
Very good point on 6spd in Competition. Maybe the M2 will still be the drivers car and BMW will still make the 6sp available. If not, the M2C 6spd just got a little more special in my mind
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You mean, of course, the F87 DCT will be special since we already know the G87 with not have DCT.

Conversely, the G87 will have MT . . . BMW won't fuck that up.

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Wonder if BMW will go the same route as the G80 and announce both a regular M2 and a M2C at launch. Also, I wonder if they'll make 6 spd only for the base model as well... I was hoping to jump back into a 6 spd.
Very good point on 6spd in Competition. Maybe the M2 will still be the drivers car and BMW will still make the 6sp available. If not, the M2C 6spd just got a little more special in my mind
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You mean, of course, the F87 DCT will be special since we already know the G87 with not have DCT.

Conversely, the G87 will have MT . . . BMW won't fuck that up.

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Ok, I appreciate DCT, but what makes a car last the test of time (sans supercars) is the manual transmission. Going back on BMW's past. The manual ones are much more desirable. Imagine how much more expensive the M3 CSL would be if it was a manual. Also, auto transmission technology changes rapidly. The ZP 8spd shifts almost as fast as the DCT. In a few years, I bet the ZF would be faster than the current gen DCTs.
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You mean, of course, the F87 DCT will be special since we already know the G87 with not have DCT.

Conversely, the G87 will have MT . . . BMW won't fuck that up.

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I'm sure they will have manual. They can't be that crazy. I'm just wondering if the manual will only be reserved for the base model and not the competition.
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You mean, of course, the F87 DCT will be special since we already know the G87 with not have DCT.

Conversely, the G87 will have MT . . . BMW won't fuck that up.

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I'm sure they will have manual. They can't be that crazy. I'm just wondering if the manual will only be reserved for the base model and not the competition.
I see you also have an e92 M3 and 997 turbo. How does those vehicles compare to your M2? With that collection I don't even know if I would drive the M2 that often!
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You mean, of course, the F87 DCT will be special since we already know the G87 with not have DCT.

Conversely, the G87 will have MT . . . BMW won't fuck that up.

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I'm sure they will have manual. They can't be that crazy. I'm just wondering if the manual will only be reserved for the base model and not the competition.
I see you also have an e92 M3 and 997 turbo. How does those vehicles compare to your M2? With that collection I don't even know if I would drive the M2 that often!
Ahh I always figured the signature was a collection of past vehicles not current
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I'm sure they will have manual. They can't be that crazy. I'm just wondering if the manual will only be reserved for the base model and not the competition.
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I think I know what you mean but, to be clear . . . you mean the manual will be exclusive to the M2, while ZF8 exclusive to the M2C? As is the case with the G80/82, seems very possible.

If such were the case, then seems reasonable that BMW will release the M2 and M2C simultaneously. However, I believe the G80/82 M3/M4 - or, as you state, base models - can be upgraded to 'Competition Package,' which are not really different models.

I guess we will have to see if the G87 has separate M2 and M2C models, or an M2 with Competition Package? Honestly, latter makes good sense, and I think I would like it better than releasing two separate models at different times.

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I think I know what you mean but, to be clear . . . you mean the manual will be exclusive to the M2, while ZF8 exclusive to the M2C? As is the case with the G80/82, seems very possible.

If such were the case, then seems reasonable that BMW will release the M2 and M2C simultaneously. However, I believe the G80/82 M3/M4 - or, as you state, base models - can be upgraded to 'Competition Package,' which are not really different models.

I guess we will have to see if the G87 has separate M2 and M2C models, or an M2 with Competition Package? Honestly, latter makes good sense, and I think I would like it better than releasing two separate models at different times.

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Hey AVM,

Sorry for the confusion with the term "base" but you're spot on with what I was trying to convey. Basically will the G87 release simultaneously an entry level G87 along with a G87 competition, with the latter only being available with the ZF transmission. That would be a shame especially since I was itching to go back to a 6 spd in the best possible model available.
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I think the best thing about the recently released G80/82 comes with considering what the G87 will inherit from them. . . S58 engine and new ///M bucket seats come to forefront of my mind.

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I think I know what you mean but, to be clear . . . you mean the manual will be exclusive to the M2, while ZF8 exclusive to the M2C? As is the case with the G80/82, seems very possible.

If such were the case, then seems reasonable that BMW will release the M2 and M2C simultaneously. However, I believe the G80/82 M3/M4 - or, as you state, base models - can be upgraded to 'Competition Package,' which are not really different models.

I guess we will have to see if the G87 has separate M2 and M2C models, or an M2 with Competition Package? Honestly, latter makes good sense, and I think I would like it better than releasing two separate models at different times.

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Hey AVM,

Sorry for the confusion with the term "base" but you're spot on with what I was trying to convey. Basically will the G87 release simultaneously an entry level G87 along with a G87 competition, with the latter only being available with the ZF transmission. That would be a shame especially since I was itching to go back to a 6 spd in the best possible model available.
hmm, it seems likely the g87 m2c will have less power or the same power as the base m3/4 so in theory the MT clutch should be able to handle the power. BMW may choose to keep the C model zf8 to keep it simple.
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I think I know what you mean but, to be clear . . . you mean the manual will be exclusive to the M2, while ZF8 exclusive to the M2C? As is the case with the G80/82, seems very possible.

If such were the case, then seems reasonable that BMW will release the M2 and M2C simultaneously. However, I believe the G80/82 M3/M4 - or, as you state, base models - can be upgraded to 'Competition Package,' which are not really different models.

I guess we will have to see if the G87 has separate M2 and M2C models, or an M2 with Competition Package? Honestly, latter makes good sense, and I think I would like it better than releasing two separate models at different times.

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Hey AVM,

Sorry for the confusion with the term "base" but you're spot on with what I was trying to convey. Basically will the G87 release simultaneously an entry level G87 along with a G87 competition, with the latter only being available with the ZF transmission. That would be a shame especially since I was itching to go back to a 6 spd in the best possible model available.
hmm, it seems likely the g87 m2c will have less power or the same power as the base m3/4 so in theory the MT clutch should be able to handle the power. BMW may choose to keep the C model zf8 to keep it simple.
It is my hope that MT will be available in both G87 & G87 Comp. It would be great if they are both released at the same time.
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My guess is:

Base manual: 430 hp 406 tq
Comp auto only: 460 hp 440 tq

I can't see them going any higher on the comp side without having traction issues, and you know M2 never getting AWD in G form. These numbers would also be in the same range of the refreshed RS3 and CLA45 AMG.

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My guess is:

Base manual: 430 hp 406 tq
Comp auto only: 460 hp 440 tq

I can't see them going any higher on the comp side without having traction issues, and you know M2 never getting AWD in G form. These numbers would also be in the same range of the refreshed RS3 and CLA45 AMG.
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It is all good, as the S55 already has plenty of giddy-up . . .

In fact, one could reasonably argue the F87 is over-powered, but I will go with 'the M2C is under tired' at this point.

Still, there comes a point where more is less and I suspect BMW is just about at the limits of what the RWD can 'put down' on the road . . . the rest is just wheel spinning or, as we all recognize, one small step away from AWD.

I am going to miss DCT, but suspect ZF8 will perform admirably . . . so long as I have capacity to control shift points with a shifter (NOT paddles) then I will be happy. Everything shared to date indicates ZF8 is more than capable when it comes to manual mode.

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I wonder if they’ll allow those seats in the base or Comp - wouldn’t shock me if they’re CS / CSL only...or otherwise cost-prohibitive.
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I wonder if they’ll allow those seats in the base or Comp - wouldn’t shock me if they’re CS / CSL only...or otherwise cost-prohibitive.
I can't wait for the day manufactures will allow the "lesser" of the model line to have features of its bigger siblings. I mean, price it to its bigger siblings for all I care. I think there is still a market for these niche products. If you have to, you can limit its HP, just so manufacturers can still say the bigger brother is more powerful blah blah.

Honestly, I think Porsche is beginning to do that with the 718 T. You can finally get Porsche' CF buckets without having to go to the GTS of GT4 variants.
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I can't wait for the day manufactures will allow the "lesser" of the model line to have features of its bigger siblings. I mean, price it to its bigger siblings for all I care. I think there is still a market for these niche products. If you have to, you can limit its HP, just so manufacturers can still say the bigger brother is more powerful blah blah.

Honestly, I think Porsche is beginning to do that with the 718 T. You can finally get Porsche' CF buckets without having to go to the GTS of GT4 variants.
It’s definitely frustrating - some people just enjoy smaller / lighter / less complicated options, but with the CF seats, or Burmester stereo perhaps. Having had a 981 CS and now a 981 BGTS, I love(d) both variants, but there’s a noticeable difference in the options that were available new vs. the 991 variants.

To your point, this appears to be changing, albeit slowly, on the Porsche front. BMW appears to be hard headed on this front...
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I can't wait for the day manufactures will allow the "lesser" of the model line to have features of its bigger siblings. I mean, price it to its bigger siblings for all I care. I think there is still a market for these niche products. If you have to, you can limit its HP, just so manufacturers can still say the bigger brother is more powerful blah blah.

Honestly, I think Porsche is beginning to do that with the 718 T. You can finally get Porsche' CF buckets without having to go to the GTS of GT4 variants.
The seats in my OG M2 were probably the biggest let down of the car. Once you try the seats in the comp, you realize what a loss it was.
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My guess is:

Base manual: 430 hp 406 tq
Comp auto only: 460 hp 440 tq

I can't see them going any higher on the comp side without having traction issues, and you know M2 never getting AWD in G form. These numbers would also be in the same range of the refreshed RS3 and CLA45 AMG.
yeah whatever is slightly more than f80 HP but less than g80 HP.
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I have an m2 competition. The 411hp is enough.

I would rather see lightness then more hp.

My 1m coupe with 340hp was also enough hp. This car is still in my memory. It has brought me more fun then my m2.

I would also like a 4 cil with some kind of mild anti lag system.

340/360hp 4 cil and a new lightweight m2. I can promise you the lightness on the front with a 4cil will give massive response.

For people who want hp there is the m4 or m5, m8.

Let the new m2 be a new 1m coupe and add lightness.
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The seats in my OG M2 were probably the biggest let down of the car. Once you try the seats in the comp, you realize what a loss it was.
You forget how bad they are until you sit/see someone else's car with premium leather...
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You forget how bad they are until you sit/see someone else's car with premium leather...
Actually I like the look of the Competition seats better but I find the OG seats much more comfortable.
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The OG seats are part of the understated nature of the car, which is what I like about the total package. Agree the leather could be better...my F30 seat feel way nicer, and I used to think those were below average lol.
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