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I would get the manual. There will be fewer and fewer manual options to come in the future. Sure, the new M3/4 will have a manual, but it's large.
I think this M2C is designed as a Manila, if you wanted an automatic, I would just go for the regular M235i
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12-07-2019, 10:13 AM | #27 |
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Quite honestly, I'm surprised. I would have thought that the responses to this question on this forum would be overwhelmingly 6MT. But there is a fair number amount of DCT love too.
Count me in the latter. Love my DCT. Makes a hell of a lot more sense in traffic, and I have never found fault with it when driving hard. I don't track, more of a canyon carver. And this is just my opinion, but I think the people saying a DCT is not as fun and engaging as the 6MT are just towing the "Never two pedal" line. I have a hell of a lot of fun on the twisties. If I feel the need to be more engaged, I go manual mode. But honestly, Sport+ in auto just allows me to go faster through the turns, which is the point isn't it? |
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There are so many factors involved with deciding between the 2.
How long will I keep this car? What will be its primary use? Weekend warrior/track, daily? Traffic issues? How far am I planning on modding it? And for what use? How much power can the DCT handle and how long will it last? What would a rebuild cost/replace one? How many track/autocross days will I do per year? How important is it grab a manual transmission German car before the option is gone? How will I drive the DCT? In auto mode, or manual mode? I had a DCT in my EVO X. The car was tracked extensively and I ran 28 lbs of boost thru the motor. I had trouble with the Getrag DCT constantly and it cost me a ton to make it right. 3 rebuilds and none of them completely fixed the unit. I haven't heard of any problems with the unit in the M2, but for me its far less expensive and easier to swap out a clutch and throwout bearing vs a problem DCT out of warranty. There are not that many shops that can troubleshoot and repair/rebuild a DCT professionally. They are much more complex than a traditional Auto unit. I drove my DCT 100% in manual mode while I had it. I can't stand a transmission doing the work for me, but that's me... I could dive deeper but... For me its was a 100% 6 spd decision. YMMV HAZMAT
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if you don't want to ride on track and just a fun weekend car go for manual. if you commute or you want to get the best times on the track go for dct. I drove the manual OG M2 for a while and bought the DCT m2c. no regrets so far. the car feels like a go kart and punishes for the slightest careless pedaling
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If you don't plan on tracking and you can actually drive a manual well, there is no reason to buy a car like this with an automatic. It won't be long before you don't have a choice at all. Enjoy.
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(sorry, incoming pet peeve rant that's only really tangentially related to your post.) The fastest way for my car to tackle a twisty road would be for me to exit the vehicle, and let someone who is a better driver drive my car on that road at speeds I could never match. Hell, if they were good enough, i wouldn't even have to get out of the car, maybe I could just sit in the back seat for weight distribution. Speed on its own isn't inherently fun. That's why some of the most boring moments of my life have come when my body was physically traveling at around 600 mph. THAT SAID, the DCT is still a perfectly reasonable and dare I say, BETTER choice for many people out there. Plenty of people legitimately enjoy the car better that way and that's 100 percent fine. For many people, a manual is a distraction and not a source of joy (yeah i just got marie kondo up in here.) That's cool, different strokes for different folks. But 60K is a lot of money, people should be buying what makes them happy, not what has better numbers on a piece of paper. Because the whole point isn't speed, the whole point is smiles. |
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I got DCT. All of my previous 9 cars bar were manual bar one (I don't really like autos).
As long as you realise this is nothing like an automatic and change the gears yourself other than when stuck in traffic then it is just bloody fantastic. I feel that it suits the car a lot better than the weird hybrid manual thing that BMW sells these days. There is a short learning curve with it, but once you get used to it it's sensational. It's also the last ever DCT BMW will have, so it's a good opportunity to get something that marks the end of an era. |
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It takes more skill and concentration to drive a manual (well) vs an auto. I enjoy driving and the manual makes it that much more challenging and rewarding if I do it well. That's what sports cars are for; having fun! I have another car that's automatic for running errands and road trips with the family. But hey, different strokes for different folks. You may have other priorities or needs when it comes to driving. Nothing wrong with that. Get what suits you. |
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I couldn't go without at least one manual in my life. Unless I were being paid handsomely for setting lap times, there is no way on earth I'd spec a 'drivers car' with 2 pedals. I get big cars losing manuals (although my B7 would be fu**ing awesome with a stick)...but don't do it man; don't buy an automatic M2 lol.
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Firstly, thank you very much to everyone who replied. Even thou I may not reply to your comment specifically, all your inputs were appreciated and helped me immensely.
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I plan to keep it for 6 to 10 years. When we need a car. We don't drive very often. Never track or drag race. Drive it stock... maybe diff-back exhaust (for exhaust sound) No idea what DCT can handle. Cost to maintain after the warranty period is a factor for me. No track days. Buying something (DCT or MT) before it disappears is not a factor for me. I'm not a museum collecting historical items. No idea how I would drive a DCT. Never driven one. Quote:
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Before I started reading your posts, I was 70% leaning towards DCT. Why? In Australia, DCT and MT are priced identically. I have heard many saying, DCT doesn't get much better than this. And with a taller top gear ratio for freeway driving, I was interested in DCT and certainly wanted to test drive one. But now, I am less interested in DCT. The consensus here is that, (a) DCT in auto mode is rubbish, at the very least, annoys people sometimes. (b) Shifting from 1st-reverse-1st is slow. (c) driven in manual mode, DCT is quick. (d) If repairs are needed, they will be more costly and specialised. Meanwhile, MT is (a) primarily proven technology. (b) cheaper to maintain and to repair out of warranty. (c) Slower to shift gears. (d) the top gear in MT is 500rpm lower than DCT in top gear (possibly noisier). (e) consumes more petrol overall when compared to DCT. According to the dealer, DCT outsells MT in Australia by a good margin. I think he said 70% DCT. Now I am thinking of requesting a test drive of 6MT M2C... if it is available. This also means that I am now leaning towards getting a MT. Thanks again for all your thoughts. |
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1. When blasting the car on a mountain road, the last thing on your mind is fuel consumption. Don't even use that as a factor to decide on the transmission choice 2. The only reason that there are lots more DCT M2/M2C on the market is because they are usually the only transmission choice that a dealer will order...most MT M2C were privately ordered and the lead time is around 6 months. A lot of people don't want to wait (nor dealers as they want to sell you a car they had already ordered) and are sucked into the 'better performance, better fuel economy' slogan 3. Nobody repairs DCT. The whole unit needs to be replaced if it is faulty. With a MT you can get any competent mechanic to work on it and replace parts. |
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MT always if there is a choice...
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As one who traditionally drives manual and fairly recently moved to the zf8 (which although not as engaging as DCT is pretty responsive in terms of paddle response), I suspect you will tire of the DCT with time. I miss manual very much as of late (and the miss is even worse after watching ford vs ferrari).
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The only way BMW or any other manufacturer will continue making MT cars is if people buy them. Glad to see you changing your mind. Sports cars should only come with 3 pedals in my opinion.
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The new m2 will also have manual
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12-08-2019, 12:16 PM | #43 |
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Yup. Check the value you got for the money paid, what purpose you mainly use your car for (daily driver? track? mountains? mix?) and how much fun it provides when you do those things.
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6MT is a blast!
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