[termigni]

Originally Posted by 1mm2

Yup, bringing up a comparison with those guys is pretty much irrelevant.

Point is it's not the car. it's the driver.

I've seen it on the motorcycle community where a good rider (not even at a pro level) smokes an average skilled riders on much smaller engines and crappier tires. Same thing goes on with car community when we hit up the mountains.

I agree that OG M2 is holding its value. Friend was recently looking for a slightly used M2 LCI MT but they are up there at around $50k (only 3 were avail in MT in the 500mile radius as of Sept 2019) so he ended up ordering a new C. Also to note, there are a lot more used DCTs on the market, meaning they are cheaper and easier to get than MT.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

I thought the same thing, I mean, it stands to reason. But the fact is that it just didn't. MANY people prefer the OG M2 to the M2C, including myself.

The M2C was never going to kill the resale value of the OG M2. When 4+ years pass then prices will start to go down more gradually due to the warranty. You saying that you like the your M2 more than the M2C is irrelevant.

[TemjinX2]

the low supply of m2s in general and the crap m2c leases will probably keep m2 value relatively steady versus a m3/m4. You can lease a m4 cs cheaper then a m2c and m4 cs is twice the price compared to a m2c.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by M3GymNut

You saying that you like the your M2 more than the M2C is irrelevant.

It's not irrelevant, it's all that's relevant with such a car. We're not talking about a Honda Accord here, we're talking about a toy, and people buy toys for the love of it.

[M3GymNut]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

It's not irrelevant, it's all that's relevant with such a car. We're not talking about a Honda Accord here, we're talking about a toy, and people buy toys for the love of it.

Yes it is irrelevant because you and I were talking about resale value, which has nothing to do about your opinion about others thinking the OGM2 is a better car than the M2C.

[PilotxERAU]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

12 year old comment. I rest my case.
I've been in the canyons with modded OG M2s. The M2C has a lot more torque which many people overlook. In the canyons it is all about torque. You need acceleration between the twisties. It is impressive how the M2C pulls away in those situations.

It pulls away while making offensive noises (canyon wall fart echos).

[Sharasuke]

Originally Posted by Artemis

M2 Competition: for 40 unsold dealer cars, discounts of at least €10K were mentioned.

An M3 CS (SMB) with 2032km dropped from €129.265 to €84.480 (€44.785 discount or 34.65%).

An M4 CS (SMB) with 3km dropped from €126.350 to €99.990 (€26.360 discount or 20.86%).

An M4 CS (BSM) with 6000km dropped from €133.305 to €99.995 (€33.310 discount or 24.99%).

And for an M4 GTS with 182km €15K was knocked off (dropped from €190K to €175K). So it must be crisis.
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I'm looking to buy a used M2C (Belgium), where did you find all these?
I asked my local garagist to look out for some used ones but nothing so far

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Sharasuke

I'm looking to buy a used M2C (Belgium), where did you find all these?
I asked my local garagist to look out for some used ones but nothing so far

Many discounted new BMW M cars were publicly listed through this link on the Belgian BMW website.

However, I noticed that the list was recently reduced to only 4 cars. But I still know where the previously promoted M cars are located.

Give it a shot:

• Google "BMW" + a Belgian dealer name
• on the BMW dealer welcome page, scroll all the way down to the section "Nos voitures de stock. Vers notre offre" / "Onze stockwagens. Naar ons aanbod"
  (alternative: simply add "/node/25" to the welcome webpage)
• choose "BMW M" in the dropdown menu "Modèles" / "Model" to narrow down the search results + "Recherche" / "Zoeken"
• et voilà.

I just sent you a PM to help you out finding previously promoted M2 Competition dealer cars.

[MetalMK]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

12 year old comment. I rest my case.
I've been in the canyons with modded OG M2s. The M2C has a lot more torque which many people overlook. In the canyons it is all about torque. You need acceleration between the twisties. It is impressive how the M2C pulls away in those situations.

https://youtu.be/vNoTgafSJCM?t=854

Starting at 14:14, this is a video of a drag race between OG M2 and M2C, I don't see that much of a difference.

I'm not questioning your experience of pulling away from OG M2's, but maybe it has more to do with the driver, not the car.

[BroDoze]

The torque curve is very different between the 2 cars, er N55 vs S55.
S55 doesn’t do the stump-pulling torque at 1,400rpm like the N55. A lot of that has been tuned out of it.

[Conissah]

Not my picture, thread is linked HERE.

OG M2 is no slouch, but these dynos show how much more potent the S55 is than the N55. I don't know what's up with the above video, especially since I don't speak their language, but the Comp should definitely pull hard on the OG. Also, general consensus is that the OG M2 dyno in the picture is high at 354/398. Most I see make 330-340 wheel. Nonetheless, the S55 has much greater potential for tuning (in stock form) compared to the N55.

[AlpsRider]

The M2C loves to rev. It pulls like a freight train to red line. If you add a $550. tune and nothing else you can get over 500 HP and over 500 ft lbs of torque. Guys that try to pull those numbers out if an OGM2 spend thousands and thousands on mods to even attempt those numbers.

[Slowphiveo]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

The M2C loves to rev. It pulls like a freight train to red line. If you add a $550. tune and nothing else you can get over 500 HP and over 500 ft lbs of torque. Guys that try to pull those numbers out if an OGM2 spend thousands and thousands on mods to even attempt those numbers.

Or spend thousands less purchasing the OGM2...😉

[AlpsRider]

Originally Posted by Slowphiveo

Or spend thousands less purchasing the OGM2...😉

This debate is just a head in the sand situation. Y'all buy what makes you happy. 🤐

[Slowphiveo]

Originally Posted by AlpsRider

This debate is just a head in the sand situation. Y'all buy what makes you happy. 🤐

I'm just stirring the pot. Honestly, I would be happy with either car. I have an LCI and it makes me smile. I would smile if I had an M2c as well. I dont track my cars and the difference between the two on the road is negligible to us mere mortals that dont have Randy Pobst blood running through us. For a few thousand bucks I did a tune, downpipe, exhaust, IC and charge pipe...and the car is overwhelming its tires. I dont need any more.