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if you read the 2019 z4 m40i highlights BMW briefly talks about it. There are no engineer docs out yet. For now basically upgraded fuel system and water cooled exhaust manifold. rumor is slightly bigger turbo compared to the first variant of the b58. could also explain the higher wtq numbers but not confirmed. |
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07-11-2019, 12:50 PM | #69 |
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Tough choice
The Supra is definitely the better performer, has better dynamics and is more of a sports car. Major selling point is the low slung chassis and ride height of 50 inches. Proper sports car, not economy family car based on 2 series!!) It's also a lot more unique, given BMW's intent to make an M everything.
The major problem for me is the ZF 8 Speed Auto. I don't care what anyone says, it just doesn't feel as sporty and rapid-shifting (upshifts and downshifts) as the DCT. |
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it can also be programming to. i noticed when i test drove the 2018 audi s5 (same zf8speed) it shifts slower then my buddies m235i. |
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07-28-2019, 08:54 AM | #72 |
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Was close to Amsterdam today in the M2C and saw the Supra for first time in the flesh (grey). Definitely looks smaller in person and has a lot of road presence. Still glad I went with M2C 6mt
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08-06-2019, 06:10 PM | #73 |
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The New Supra:
1. No MT 2. No original Toyota engine 3. No original Toyota trans 4. Not good looking 5. Fake vents 6. Not Toyota interior I will not consider buying the new Supra for the reasons above. |
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08-09-2019, 01:49 PM | #75 | |
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People should be grateful that this car exists and there's another option out there for a mid-ranged performance coupe at a time when cars are disappearing rapidly in the marketplace being replaced by SUV's. The people on the internet that constantly whine about everything are the reason we can't have nice things as nothing is ever good enough for some people. Everything has to be just perfect like a fairy tale. Just be happy with reality in a case like this as this Supra is a very good car and C&D and other outlets have called it the best Supra ever. |
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08-09-2019, 03:20 PM | #76 |
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The toyota production chef went over the reasons why they partnered with BMW.
as stated above..to do it the way toyota wanted to make the supra it would've made the car cost 150k They initially thought about using the 3.5L twin turbo v6 from the LS400 but they felt supra fans wanted a inline 6 as the heart of the supra. toyota doesnt make any inline 6s since the early 2000s. Japanese companies prefer not to lay off workers so they tend to make there worker do more overtime versus hiring more workers and lay them off when inventory is high so every one of their factories are at overcapacity. They said they would need to spend at least $2billion dollars just to build a inline 6 factory excluding the development cost of R & D, and manufacturing of a line 6 engine which would be close to another $1 billion dollars. all for a low volume car didn't make financial sense, so the project would be dead. Using the b58 BMW is already mass produced and contracting the manufacturing to magna saved toyota at least $3 billion and made it financially feasible to make the supra at a relatively affordable price. At the end of the day Toyota is a business and need to make money. when you take those factors into consideration we should appreciate that akio made the push for development of the supra/z4. BMW initially only wanted access to Toyota cash and ev tech from the partnership. Akio was the one that made producing a sports are as one of the stipulations for the relationship. |
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Not only that but anyone that is 6'0" in height good luck in fitting in one. I believe I seen reviews of a guy that was 6'1" had a hard time fitting in it.
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I had had someone that was 6'6" in my E85 Z4M (barely) which is a full 11 inches shorter than the Supra. I couldn't find interior dimensions for the Supra but I would be shocked if it were smaller. I doubt anyone 6'1" can have an issue with the Supra unless they did something crazy with the interior volume.
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How is that even possible? 2 billion dollars to build a motor?
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And lot of the current Lexus models have Yamaha developed cylinder heads also.
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Meanwhile the new Toyota hit 600hp with FBO and Pure Turbo....I wonder if tuners just aren't as interested in the s55 as it's an "old" engine at this point. They've been there, done that type of thing.
With a detuned version at that along with the newer encrypted ECUs...feels like the M2c is getting the step child treatment. Not cool |
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As far as tuning goes
Ecutek is supporting the S55 M3/M4 and M2C That is all you need in that department! Now hopefully we get some good tuners who use ecutek to jump on the s55 train I had it with my GTR RaceRom v4 and it was amazing!! |
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I rather pay $100k for a real 2nd Supra than wasting my money on a half-ass supra. You don't have to agree with me, but Toyota's lack of courage is highly disappointed.
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