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      07-22-2016, 06:39 AM   #243
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Also got confirmation from BMW Genius tonight that after not being part of the initial 202 cars, my VIN is now listed in the 1,200+ cars affected.

I am pretty bummed, and little frustrated, right now. Ordered a 2016 MY car back in March for a presumed June delivery. Car got pushed back to late July delivery supposedly because of the XT1 dash. I was finally about 1 week from delivery. Now I am being told that the car will stay at the VPC in CA with no information whatsoever about when it will fixed and released.

I asked the genius if we're talking days, weeks or months. He told me he had no information but that BMW doesn't currently have enough differentials on hand to fix all the cars affected... So we are probably talking weeks. By then, 2017 MY will be well underway and I will have a car that is brand new but already one model year old, and has therefore seriously depreciated.

Again, not super happy right now. I sure hope BMW figures out a plan soon and takes care of its M customers. Make that repeat customers in my case...

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That is such fuzzy logic. Your car is going to depreciate. That's what cars do. If you got it in June, it would be two months before the '17s would be out. If it were July, it would be one month (or less). What's the difference? I ordered my '16 M4 because I wanted it. By the time I get it back from my ED, it will most likely be late September. I don't care.
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From that article posted it doesn't sound like it was safety related, wish it was! Would have made the wait a little easier
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If this is true and it's a noise issue, it is likely not a big deal (ie. the rear end is not falling off) other than the PITA to deal with it. I suppose, from one perspective, it's a good thing that BMW is dealing with it rather than simply ignoring it. Nothing worse than a problem with a car that the manufacturer pretends doesn't really exist.
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      07-22-2016, 07:23 AM   #246
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Seems like this is affecting US cars more than others. I have had 3 friends take delivery in the last 3 weeks of M2 and M4s and none of them had any issues.
We'll just have to wait and see.
I don't believe so, this is affecting every country. There is another long thread about a bunch of UK owners who are affected too. I'm also in Canada and affected as well.

Doesn't matter which country the car is destined for, they all share the same rear diff. Points to a supplier issue more than anything.
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      07-22-2016, 07:26 AM   #247
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I don't believe so, this is affecting every country. There is another long thread about a bunch of UK owners who are affected too. I'm also in Canada and affected as well.

Doesn't matter which country the car is destined for, they all share the same rear diff. Points to a supplier issue more than anything.
Except I believe the can still deliver the cars in other countries to be brought back upon the recall. Im not sure what other country has that same law as US where you are not allowed to deliver the car until it is resolved
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Except I believe the can still deliver the cars in other countries to be brought back upon the recall. Im not sure what other country has that same law as US where you are not allowed to deliver the car until it is resolved
I can't speak for every country but the UK owners can't take delivery of their vehicles either, same as me and I'm in Canada. My M4 has a stop delivery on it and it rolled off the production line on July 5th and it's still sitting somewhere in Germany.

My feeling is that they're not delivering any vehicles until the rear diff is replaced.

I was hoping that at least they would put my car on a ship and get it over the pond then have the rear diff replaced at port or by the dealer. I have a gut feeling any cars that haven't already left Germany are being held back to be fixed at the mothership.
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If this is true and it's a noise issue, it is likely not a big deal (ie. the rear end is not falling off) other than the PITA to deal with it. I suppose, from one perspective, it's a good thing that BMW is dealing with it rather than simply ignoring it. Nothing worse than a problem with a car that the manufacturer pretends doesn't really exist.
If it's only noise, I wish they would let folks take delivery of cars at their leisure. It's not like as BMW owners, we're not used to strange noises emanating from our cars.
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If it's only noise, I wish they would let folks take delivery of cars at their leisure. It's not like as BMW owners, we're not used to strange noises emanating from our cars.
I think the issue is once BMW acknowledges the issue (i.e. recall), it is illegal to have deliveries occur before fixing it regardless of the severity. It's not BMW's decision on delivery once they know there is a problem.
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I think the issue is once BMW acknowledges the issue (i.e. recall), it is illegal to have deliveries occur before fixing it regardless of the severity. It's not BMW's decision on delivery once they know there is a problem.
I have another theory on this as well. As we all know dealerships are independent of car manufacturers. If BMW has identified an issue and cars haven't been delivered yet and I were a dealer principal I wouldn't want to use my service staff to fix an issue. Now I realize that dealers get compensated by BMW for any warranty work that has to be done to vehicles but I'm sure it's not at the same hourly rate that they charge us consumers. If there is a potential large delivery stop such as this dealers also wouldn't want vehicles occupying their lots and taking up service bays.

I think this is largely also why BMW will not deliver vehicles to dealers until this is resolved. They will either hold the vehicle in Germany or at port and fix it there before it's released to the dealer.
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      07-22-2016, 07:59 AM   #253
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I can't speak for every country but the UK owners can't take delivery of their vehicles either, same as me and I'm in Canada. My M4 has a stop delivery on it and it rolled off the production line on July 5th and it's still sitting somewhere in Germany.

My feeling is that they're not delivering any vehicles until the rear diff is replaced.

I was hoping that at least they would put my car on a ship and get it over the pond then have the rear diff replaced at port or by the dealer. I have a gut feeling any cars that haven't already left Germany are being held back to be fixed at the mothership.
My car is on a ship and supposed to be delivered to me on Tuesday. I guess we will find out in 4 days.
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I have another theory on this as well. As we all know dealerships are independent of car manufacturers. If BMW has identified an issue and cars haven't been delivered yet and I were a dealer principal I wouldn't want to use my service staff to fix an issue. Now I realize that dealers get compensated by BMW for any warranty work that has to be done to vehicles but I'm sure it's not at the same hourly rate that they charge us consumers. If there is a potential large delivery stop such as this dealers also wouldn't want vehicles occupying their lots and taking up service bays.

I think this is largely also why BMW will not deliver vehicles to dealers until this is resolved. They will either hold the vehicle in Germany or at port and fix it there before it's released to the dealer.
Possibly but I don't expect this is it. They are not legally allowed to make delivery. The dealer would absolutely be fine to do the repair as they make money on it (regardless as to whether it's top rate or not) so unless they are at complete capacity and it will interfere with regular service customers, it makes little sense for the dealer not to be happy doing this. I think this is simply BMW knowing they can't deliver the vehicles (by law) and, therefore, it is easier to coordinate a central fix rather than having cars at random dealers all over the globe sitting around waiting for a solution/parts/etc. To me, this is more about BMW wanting to control the process than it is the dealers not wanting to take the cars.
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I am truly hoping the wait goes fast for all of those affected, especially those with ED plans. The recall states cars built 5/12-6/4. My car was "in production" 5/5-5/17, so far as of yesterday Mo told me I was not affected. I'm taking it into the dealer in about 2 hours for the 1200 mile break in service (picked it up 3 weeks ago). I'll see if he knows anything. Best wishes to all!

On a side note, my 2009 335 is being serviced there too. I'm going to have both my cars in the shop.
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I have another theory on this as well. As we all know dealerships are independent of car manufacturers. If BMW has identified an issue and cars haven't been delivered yet and I were a dealer principal I wouldn't want to use my service staff to fix an issue. Now I realize that dealers get compensated by BMW for any warranty work that has to be done to vehicles but I'm sure it's not at the same hourly rate that they charge us consumers. If there is a potential large delivery stop such as this dealers also wouldn't want vehicles occupying their lots and taking up service bays.

I think this is largely also why BMW will not deliver vehicles to dealers until this is resolved. They will either hold the vehicle in Germany or at port and fix it there before it's released to the dealer.
It's most likely that it is simpler and cheaper to ship a crate of diffs to a limited number of port(s) for installation.

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Crap, I have a week 23 build and did a Euro Delivery on it. The car is currently on the ship.

Does anyone know if this would be replaced at the VDC? Or would the dealer need to replace it?
My car is in the same situation as your, most likely the VPC at the US port will handle the repair. I also ended up doing 1258 miles on my trip so they will also do the first service there too.
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Wow. There a a lot of folks who feel entitled here, aren't there.
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I got an M2 built early April and clocked already 7K km.

Reported a recurrent noise problem (that seems to be generated by the diff) to my dealer who subsequently informed BMW.

So I guess that the list can get longer.

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...0#post20291620
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I got an M2 built early April and clocked already 7K km.

Reported a recurrent noise problem (that seems to be generated by the diff) to my dealer who subsequently informed BMW.

So I guess that the list can get longer.

http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...0#post20291620
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Wow. There a a lot of folks who feel entitled here, aren't there.
Ah to be young and full of piss and vinegar, again
Ha - have cut a substantial check for a car I may not see for months.... It's a bummer.

Don't really feel entitled to anything, except some sort of relief on the payment until I get the car.... And a keychain. And to be able to extend my current lease. And travel reimbursed that's been paid for. Ok, yeah maybe entitled is the right word.

More disappointed than pissed though.
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Anyone has the new updated list???? Apparently a new one came out.
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Here is the list
Thanks! Looks like I didn't make the list. Whew!
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Thanks! Looks like I didn't make the list. Whew!
To update you, the list of 202 is now affecting 3800 M cars.

So we are all probably in it. All of us with M cars purchased between these dates.
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