M2 dct v m235i auto

hoyasaxa · 08-23-2016, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixWolf

M235i reached 240 kmph at least a second before the M2. If driven side by side I'm sure the M2 would have been ahead, but looks like the M235i would be catching up to the M2. Very weird.

I remain unconvinced that this is an accurate comparison. I want to see them side-by-side both using LC. That video doesn't look right IMO

doccyber · 08-23-2016, 10:35 PM

Here is another win for the M235!!

Honestly both cars are fast but the driver is the difference. Different day with different driver who knows!!

MaximumG · 08-23-2016, 11:13 PM

2.0 degrees Celsius or 35.6 Fahrenheit cooler temperature made the horsepower delta between the M2 and M235i slightly smaller than the 45 bhp and 39 lb-ft difference on paper.

With natural aspirated engines, 36 degrees cooler temperature yields about 3-4% horsepower gain or 10-13 hp.

Transfer · 08-23-2016, 11:24 PM

Eh. This video means nothing. M2 is faster and should be that way above 125 mph as well.

Bmw doubles · 08-23-2016, 11:26 PM

How is it that everyone frowns on street racing and this video everyone is like "cool"

I don't get it

mrduder · 08-23-2016, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bmw doubles

How is it that everyone frowns on street racing and this video everyone is like "cool"

I don't get it

Pretty sure it's the autobahn and legal, no?

Bmw doubles · 08-23-2016, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mrduder

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Originally Posted by Bmw doubles

How is it that everyone frowns on street racing and this video everyone is like "cool"

I don't get it

Pretty sure it's the autobahn and legal, no?

Maybe

jmg · 08-23-2016, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Longboarder

Does at our SoCal airstrip and track events.

This sounds intriguing. What organization?

Phatcat · 08-24-2016, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

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Originally Posted by PhoenixWolf

M235i reached 240 kmph at least a second before the M2. If driven side by side I'm sure the M2 would have been ahead, but looks like the M235i would be catching up to the M2. Very weird.

I remain unconvinced that this is an accurate comparison. I want to see them side-by-side both using LC. That video doesn't look right IMO

Yeah hard for me to believe as well, forget about the gearing, I don't see how BMW would design a M that loses out on the top end to a M performance model. If anything the M model should shine when it comes to top end power.

Boss330 · 08-24-2016, 12:29 AM

Videos like these are basically useless. Different day, different place and who knows what other differences we dont know about:

Headwind/tailwind
Uphill/downhill
Number of people in the cars

The cars need to be side by side at the same road to have a realistic and controllable comparison

five3three · 08-24-2016, 12:37 AM

Sad showing for the M2. Even if there are some variances that would make the M2 the same or slightly faster on another day, it's still way too close and the M240 will make that up.

This is basically what I felt when I did the M track day last week. The M2 leaves a lot to be desired when accelerating from 50 to 120+ and it really left me wondering if I was driving a defective example. I had hoped for a better showing when I drove it but it pretty much ensured I won't go the M2 route when my lease is up next spring. It's just not that much of an upgrade for me from the 235 and I currently track that car. Yes, the M2 is nimble amd tossable and would be sweet on those short and technical tracks but I would lIke a car with some more power for some fun highway acceleration and for larger tracks.

raysspl · 08-24-2016, 01:19 AM

Not very surprised to see...

franzzz · 08-24-2016, 01:24 AM

Same road ? Same climate conditions ?

Phatcat · 08-24-2016, 02:41 AM

Here's a R&T test.

mofomat · 08-24-2016, 02:50 AM

It seems to be only people driving non-M BMWs who care about these kind of things. Some kind of inferiority complex I think.

koastal · 08-24-2016, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by hoyasaxa

I remain unconvinced that this is an accurate comparison. I want to see them side-by-side both using LC. That video doesn't look right IMO

Im with this guy.

Dad said believe none of what you hear and half of what you see. (that was before photoshop)

Videos that defy physics, surely that wouldnt happen

koastal · 08-24-2016, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by five3three

Sad showing for the M2. Even if there are some variances that would make the M2 the same or slightly faster on another day, it's still way too close and the M240 will make that up.

This is basically what I felt when I did the M track day last week. The M2 leaves a lot to be desired when accelerating from 50 to 120+ and it really left me wondering if I was driving a defective example. I had hoped for a better showing when I drove it but it pretty much ensured I won't go the M2 route when my lease is up next spring. It's just not that much of an upgrade for me from the 235 and I currently track that car. Yes, the M2 is nimble amd tossable and would be sweet on those short and technical tracks but I would lIke a car with some more power for some fun highway acceleration and for larger tracks.

If you dont have the money just say so

koastal · 08-24-2016, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by doccyber

Here is another win for the M235!!

Honestly both cars are fast but the driver is the difference. Different day with different driver who knows!!

Not really floored is floored

I think the point is moot - I have never seen a 235 at the track

bmwmnation · 08-24-2016, 04:13 AM

Doesn't make any sense

04S · 08-24-2016, 05:02 AM

Absolutely useless comparison.

ABPReader · 08-24-2016, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by koastal

If you dont have the money just say so

That moment when a M2 owner thinks that he drives a supercar

amw896 · 08-24-2016, 06:17 AM

yep, 235 might not be a real M car buts definitely the ultimate sleeper.

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MaximumG Private First Class 59 Rep 119 Posts Drives: 2014 M235i EBII May '14 ED Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (0) Garage List 2014 BMW M235i [0.00]	2.0 degrees Celsius or 35.6 Fahrenheit cooler temperature made the horsepower delta between the M2 and M235i slightly smaller than the 45 bhp and 39 lb-ft difference on paper. With natural aspirated engines, 36 degrees cooler temperature yields about 3-4% horsepower gain or 10-13 hp.
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five3three Major 163 Rep 1,053 Posts Drives: m2c Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: VA iTrader: (3)	Sad showing for the M2. Even if there are some variances that would make the M2 the same or slightly faster on another day, it's still way too close and the M240 will make that up. This is basically what I felt when I did the M track day last week. The M2 leaves a lot to be desired when accelerating from 50 to 120+ and it really left me wondering if I was driving a defective example. I had hoped for a better showing when I drove it but it pretty much ensured I won't go the M2 route when my lease is up next spring. It's just not that much of an upgrade for me from the 235 and I currently track that car. Yes, the M2 is nimble amd tossable and would be sweet on those short and technical tracks but I would lIke a car with some more power for some fun highway acceleration and for larger tracks. Last edited by five3three; 08-24-2016 at 12:42 AM..
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