[bim2er]

Originally Posted by Corinne

I'm wondering why people are complaining about not being able to have a moon roof on the M2.... especially after reading about how most have said they always opt for moon roof deletes. I've ordered an M2 with a sun roof for € 875. I'm not sure what the difference is between a moon roof and a sun roof and presume it's just a question of terminology and is the same thing.
As for the likelihood of a significant price hike next year, I reckon that's a strong possibility. And THAT is when BMW will justify it by offering all the stuff we've been complaining about: M mirrors, bucket seats, black exterior trim, orange paint and gloss carbon fibre interior. All the early adopters will be furious of course.
My delivery is due for june 2017 - maybe I'll be lucky and get the improved version without having to pay the price hike since I've already put down a € 5000 deposit !

A sunroof is opaque (typically metal). A moonroof is translucent (typically tinted glass) so you can see the moon with it closed. You car will probably have the latter as that is what is offered on M2s. My 2002tii had a manual cranked sunroof.

[Corinne]

Originally Posted by bim2er

A sunroof is opaque (typically metal). A moonroof is translucent (typically tinted glass) so you can see the moon with it closed. You car will probably have the latter as that is what is offered on M2s. My 2002tii had a manual cranked sunroof.

Ah yes. In Europe we don't use the term "moon roof", at least I've never heard it. We refer to them as glass sunroofs, and since they are almost always glass, the distinction has disappeared.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by bim2er

A sunroof is opaque (typically metal). A moonroof is translucent (typically tinted glass) so you can see the moon with it closed. You car will probably have the latter as that is what is offered on M2s. My 2002tii had a manual cranked sunroof.

Correct. The BMW e30 had a metal sunroof.

There was a moonroof option for the E30 that was a glass roof and it was very rare.

BMW E36 Also Had metal sunroof.

Most of the cars today have a moonroof or a panoramic ( multi panel ) moonroof.

[ric124]

Originally Posted by ABPReader

Based on what we can read on the internet, the M235i is in the end of its life. Between M235i and M2 there is a real hierarchy if you compare stock cars. In other places than NA, the M2 is really more expensive.
It will be interesting to compare the M240i with the M2, hard to tell which one will "cannibalise" the other. Standard B58 and M2's N55 have the same whp, what will happen with a M Performance B58 ?

M2 is really more of a bargain over the M235i. If you were to option out the M235i like the M2 it was a few thousand dollars more but I just checked and look like the option to add LSD to the M235i has been removed. HP isnt everything so here are the advantages that appeals to me.

LSD
weight
brakes
wider track
better cooling
stronger engine internals

[TypeRSTI]

Originally Posted by bim2er

A sunroof is opaque (typically metal). A moonroof is translucent (typically tinted glass) so you can see the moon with it closed. You car will probably have the latter as that is what is offered on M2s. My 2002tii had a manual cranked sunroof.

I have always believed it to be the opposite.
A moonroof is metal. A sunroof is tinted glass.
That is why most modern cars are listed as having sunroof option are made of tinted glass.

Seeing the moon would be done at night and would require opening the metal roof. You could not see the moon with the tinted glass closed. The sun on the other hand could easily be seen through a tinted glass.

[azfootdoc]

Originally Posted by jeremicium

I just don't get it. The price points are so close unless you get into a zero option M235i. I built equivalently optioned M2 and M235i (minus the $3000ish dollar inferior, port installed M235i LSD), and the price is less than $3000 off. Why would anyone buy the M235i based on these numbers?

This has probably already been talked about, but i've been absent for a while.

So BMW could raise the MSRP on the M2 4K for MY 17 and solve the problem. Then there would be a more appreciable price difference between the M2 and the M235i. It would still be a could deal for a entry level M and still 10K less than the M3/M4. As production increased and demand wanes they could discount them down to current MSRP.

[filet.M2c]

Originally Posted by azfootdoc

So BMW could raise the MSRP on the M2 4K for MY 17 and solve the problem. Then there would be a more appreciable price difference between the M2 and the M235i. It would still be a could deal for a entry level M and still 10K less than the M3/M4. As production increased and demand wanes they could discount them down to current MSRP.

$4k is significant and I would expect additional amenities to match. (ex. HUD, more color options, better interior/ options, CF roof?) If they keep increasing the price closer to an M3/4 (probably another at LCI) what is their target market? It's supposed to be targeted to a younger audience to lure them into the M brand. This car has experienced many compromises and I would be quite upset if they increase the price by $4k without improving anything.

[ric124]

Originally Posted by TypeRSTI

I have always believed it to be the opposite.
A moonroof is metal. A sunroof is tinted glass.
That is why most modern cars are listed as having sunroof option are made of tinted glass.

Seeing the moon would be done at night and would require opening the metal roof. You could not see the moon with the tinted glass closed. The sun on the other hand could easily be seen through a tinted glass.

BMW calls it moonroof. Look under convenience option

[TypeRSTI]

Thanks
Guess I am wrong.

[Robin_NL]

Sunroof, moonroof...

A bit cloudy Ruf.





Cheers
Robin

[ur31337]

Originally Posted by pup73

When I was at the dealer yesterday, the had an M235 convertible for $58k, and a 320i for $48K. A 320!?!

-c

Wow. Our most expensive 320xi on our lot is $42,545

[den525]

I'm in Australia. Prices are slightly different, "base car" is also different. The Australian market, "standard" cars comes with a lot more different options.

But like the rest of the world the M235i in my opinion is priced a bit too high msrp. For example, in Australia the M235i cost $90k-$100k (base - fully optioned) drive away (that's after taxes and dealer delivery costs). But discounts could be had after about 6 months. I bought mine fully optioned at 81k 15 months ago and now they can be had for 76-77k. (Big difference 20-25% discount). While the M2 pure is $100k and fully optioned M2 is $110k, obviously with no discounts due to lack of allocations.

So in saying that, technically if you spec the cars up of the M235 fully optioned vs base M2 pure the msrp is very similar, but after discounts it goes from $5k difference to $30k difference.

Therefore, there's still a big gap for people to think about, whether the M2 is worth that extra $30k

[gmzanatta]

Originally Posted by ur31337

Wow. Our most expensive 320xi on our lot is $42,545

High 40's, low 50's here in Canada. The "base" models here come nearly fully loaded and we have many fewer options.

A fully loaded 340i is about $80K.

Another example is the M2 to M4 price gap. In the US, it's around $15-20K whereas here in Canada an M2 is $61K and M4's are typically $90-95K, so it's a $30K+ difference.