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      02-29-2016, 04:26 AM   #67
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I guess you've never seen the aftermath of some of someone getting it wrong in an Ariel Atom. If I didn't have a family to worry about I'd still be riding motorcycles or look at a Ariel as an option. There's also the piece of mind a warranty gives you and lack of dealing with car project headaches. Trying to achieve the proper fit, finish, and reliability of an OEM product with aftermarket goods will erase any perceived DIY saving and possibly cost you more money before you're satisfied.

Most of us have other cars for DD duty. So that category doesn't really ping on the radar.
True getting it wrong in such a car could be devastating and potentially kill you so there is that safety issue.

Well depends on how BMW warrants the car what type of warranty can you leave on car that is purposely built for track, What be covered under warranty have read a lot of post here where people drove the car in a certain way and BMW denied them warranty coverage for that particulate failure.

So if they leave same warranty on CSL model as on a standard then i would be worried specially if the CSL is track built but BMW denies warranty claims for driving it to hard so a component fails.

Well rebuilding a car your self is always gonna be risk that is true but a lot of people will either tune the CSL och replace part for even more performance witch also will void warranty and might cause failures due to it.

Its just the price they probably will be asking for it might make it kinda weird to pay over premium for car like the BMW M2 when there will be a lot of competition in that region that might be better for even track usage and dd in that term.
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I'm gonna go on record and say there will NOT be an S55 in an M2 period. If that's why you are here you should be in a motor swap thread, and not a CSL thread.

It will cost way to much to federalize if they drop a completely different motor in it.
CSL means - coupe sport lightweight -

Just like any previous CSL OR GTS I would anticipate an M2 CSL or GTS /CS to have either

- a hand picked motor
- meth injection and better tune
- perhaps a slight increase in displacement

E30 M3 Sport Evo was bored from 2.3 to 2.5

E36 m3 CSL was hand picked motors

e46 M3 CSL - hand picked motor + airbox + Alpha N

e90 M3 GTS - bored from 4.0- 4-4l

m4 GTS. - meth injection plus tune


Drop in an entirely all new motor? Not gonna happen. Move along ... That's not the CSL you are looking for ...
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But there supposedly is an S55 M2 Testwagen.
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I'm gonna go on record and say there will NOT be an S55 in an M2 period. If that's why you are here you should be in a motor swap thread, and not a CSL thread.

It will cost way to much to federalize if they drop a completely different motor in it.
CSL means - coupe sport lightweight -

Just like any previous CSL OR GTS I would anticipate an M2 CSL or GTS /CS to have either

- a hand picked motor
- meth injection and better tune
- perhaps a slight increase in displacement

E30 M3 Sport Evo was bored from 2.3 to 2.5

E36 m3 CSL was hand picked motors

e46 M3 CSL - hand picked motor + airbox + Alpha N

e90 M3 GTS - bored from 4.0- 4-4l

m4 GTS. - meth injection plus tune


Drop in an entirely all new motor? Not gonna happen. Move along ... That's not the CSL you are looking for ...
Then I'm afraid you are wrong brother. And you know I wouldn't mess with you either.

Remember the Clownshoe got the S54 for 2 years. They didn't have to do that, but they did.

Now whether you are expecting a GT6 concept lookalike, that's another story
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I'm gonna go on record and say there will NOT be an S55 in an M2 period. If that's why you are here you should be in a motor swap thread, and not a CSL thread.

It will cost way to much to federalize if they drop a completely different motor in it.
CSL means - coupe sport lightweight -

Just like any previous CSL OR GTS I would anticipate an M2 CSL or GTS /CS to have either

- a hand picked motor
- meth injection and better tune
- perhaps a slight increase in displacement

E30 M3 Sport Evo was bored from 2.3 to 2.5

E36 m3 CSL was hand picked motors

e46 M3 CSL - hand picked motor + airbox + Alpha N

e90 M3 GTS - bored from 4.0- 4-4l

m4 GTS. - meth injection plus tune


Drop in an entirely all new motor? Not gonna happen. Move along ... That's not the CSL you are looking for ...
Then I'm afraid you are wrong brother. And you know I wouldn't mess with you either.

Remember the Clownshoe got the S54 for 2 years. They didn't have to do that, but they did.

Now whether you are expecting a GT6 concept lookalike, that's another story
The clownshoe did get the s52 as an update to the S54 the same way the E36 M3 got an update from S50 to 52.

The s55 is not an updated version of the N55b30TO
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But there supposedly is an S55 M2 Testwagen.
I'm ABSOLUTELY Confident there is a test car as a one off!

They made an E30 M3 pickup for fun once too.

What's the best reason for putting an S55 in a mule?

To test for robustness. Drop an S55 in a 235 racing chassis and test your transmission and chassis to make sure it can handle the extra power and make sure the chassis and setup can handle 425 hp etc.

It's also a great way to test your aero as well

But I sure wouldn't take it that this means a production version will have an S55.
That's just going too far off the reservation, and if that's ones * expectation* i think it's off base
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I'm gonna go on record and say there will NOT be an S55 in an M2 period. If that's why you are here you should be in a motor swap thread, and not a CSL thread.

It will cost way to much to federalize if they drop a completely different motor in it.
CSL means - coupe sport lightweight -

Just like any previous CSL OR GTS I would anticipate an M2 CSL or GTS /CS to have either

- a hand picked motor
- meth injection and better tune
- perhaps a slight increase in displacement

E30 M3 Sport Evo was bored from 2.3 to 2.5

E36 m3 CSL was hand picked motors

e46 M3 CSL - hand picked motor + airbox + Alpha N

e90 M3 GTS - bored from 4.0- 4-4l

m4 GTS. - meth injection plus tune


Drop in an entirely all new motor? Not gonna happen. Move along ... That's not the CSL you are looking for ...
Disagree with your logic.

S55 motor in a theoretical M2 CSL would not have to epa test as long as it's the same s55 as the M3. Once a motor passes it doesn't matter what model it's in.

S65 in M3 and S65 in M3 GTS are not the same motor, for example.
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I'm gonna go on record and say there will NOT be an S55 in an M2 period. If that's why you are here you should be in a motor swap thread, and not a CSL thread.

It will cost way to much to federalize if they drop a completely different motor in it.
CSL means - coupe sport lightweight -

Just like any previous CSL OR GTS I would anticipate an M2 CSL or GTS /CS to have either

- a hand picked motor
- meth injection and better tune
- perhaps a slight increase in displacement

E30 M3 Sport Evo was bored from 2.3 to 2.5

E36 m3 CSL was hand picked motors

e46 M3 CSL - hand picked motor + airbox + Alpha N

e90 M3 GTS - bored from 4.0- 4-4l

m4 GTS. - meth injection plus tune


Drop in an entirely all new motor? Not gonna happen. Move along ... That's not the CSL you are looking for ...
Disagree with your logic.

S55 motor in a theoretical M2 CSL would not have to epa test as long as it's the same s55 as the M3. Once a motor passes it doesn't matter what model it's in.

S65 in M3 and S65 in M3 GTS are not the same motor, for example.
Go ahead and disagree , but you just explained
Exactly why the E90 M3 GTS was never federalized for US sale.


It might also help to realize that the only CSL that made it to the US in the past (e36 m3 ) had " hand picked " motors and not a unique motor...and the 2016 M4 GTS is also the same motor as the regular M4 but with meth injection and a tune.
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I'm gonna go on record and say there will NOT be an S55 in an M2 period.
Allow me to dig up that record again in, say, Autumn 2017.
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I think a ton of us (myself included) would really like to see a "more ultimate" version of the M2, whatever moniker BMW decides to slap on it. Even with the base M2 getting a lot of praise so far, I think many people agree that there is more that could be accomplished with the platform, or at least theoretically so.

With that being said, what would be the business case to do so? Please forgive my ignorance - but it seems to me that BMW would only do something like this if there was a racing series that the car could be featured in - is that indeed the case?

I truly think that BMW would sell every single car they made, whether it was a CS or CSL or whatever. And they could charge $85-90K for it and not have a problem. But in order to invest the time, resources, and R&D necessary, I would think that there has to be a larger end goal (with a larger payout) in mind...
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I think a ton of us (myself included) would really like to see a "more ultimate" version of the M2, whatever moniker BMW decides to slap on it. Even with the base M2 getting a lot of praise so far, I think many people agree that there is more that could be accomplished with the platform, or at least theoretically so.

With that being said, what would be the business case to do so? Please forgive my ignorance - but it seems to me that BMW would only do something like this if there was a racing series that the car could be featured in - is that indeed the case?

I truly think that BMW would sell every single car they made, whether it was a CS or CSL or whatever. And they could charge $85-90K for it and not have a problem. But in order to invest the time, resources, and R&D necessary, I would think that there has to be a larger end goal (with a larger payout) in mind...
Same reason Porsche are dropping a GT3RS engine with el manuel into a normal 911 body and calling it a 911R. Because it's awesome and they'll sell every last one of them.

No other reason than it's amazing
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There are lots of reasons to build it, here's 3:

1 - 100 year anniversary
2 - Cayman GT4
3 - Market demand

Have a read of this if you get time: http://www.pistonheads.com/news/gene...anscript/27916
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Same reason Porsche are dropping a GT3RS engine with el manuel into a normal 911 body and calling it a 911R. Because it's awesome and they'll sell every last one of them.

No other reason than it's amazing


Fair enough - I was just curious as to whether they might be targeting a specific racing series for the theoretical car.
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There are lots of reasons to build it, here's 3:

1 - 100 year anniversary
2 - Cayman GT4
3 - Market demand

Have a read of this if you get time: http://www.pistonheads.com/news/gene...anscript/27916
I think the 100 year anniversary angle makes a lot of sense - you'd think that BMW would want to do something special for hitting that mark.
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Are you saying the M2 CS/CSL/GTS wouldn't be special enough ??

I hope some M engineers are reading this and prove you wrong squire

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There are lots of reasons to build it, here's 3:

1 - 100 year anniversary
2 - Cayman GT4
3 - Market demand

Have a read of this if you get time: http://www.pistonheads.com/news/gene...anscript/27916
Thanks for the PH article!
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Are you saying the M2 CS/CSL/GTS wouldn't be special enough ??

I hope some M engineers are reading this and prove you wrong squire
lol...no, I am AGREEING that it would be the perfect way to celebrate the 100 year anniversary.
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Same reason Porsche are dropping a GT3RS engine with el manuel into a normal 911 body and calling it a 911R. Because it's awesome and they'll sell every last one of them.
No other reason than it's amazing
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Wow the 911R looks amazing. Manual as well back to basics. Porsche really seem in tune with real enthusiasts. All sold up front as well.

Come on BMW M up your game. We need these CSL versions
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Same reason Porsche are dropping a GT3RS engine with el manuel into a normal 911 body and calling it a 911R. Because it's awesome and they'll sell every last one of them.

No other reason than it's amazing


Fair enough - I was just curious as to whether they might be targeting a specific racing series for the theoretical car.
Sure wish they would !!
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BMW are recognizing what enthusiasts are craving....slowly. You just gave to be patient and cry like a butch so they hear you

Porsche is a niche market. It's a little unfair to compare what they offer to BMW.
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BMW are recognizing what enthusiasts are craving....slowly. You just gave to be patient and cry like a butch so they hear you

Porsche is a niche market. It's a little unfair to compare what they offer to BMW.
If so then they need to give the M division more autonomy. At present M products are a bit too one dimensional. Yes they are nice but at present they just lack that special X factor. Missing that final half a star. M4GTS step in the right direction
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