[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by bradleyland

Some dealers are dreaming of another limited production run 1M. There are a few factors that will prevent price gouging (if a buyer has any sense):

1) The M2 won't be announced as a limited production release. When the 1M came out, we all knew it wouldn't be around for long, and so did the dealers.

2) The M2 is being released in to a completely different automotive environment. The 1M spurred responses from Mercedes (CLA 45 AMG) and Audi (S3, RS3) in the compact sports car segment. Buyers have alternatives that aren't charging huge markups.

Sure, there will be cases where some idiot with more money than sense will overpay for an M2, but I predict anyone who is looking for a car at a reasonable price will find one. Look for an environment similar to the M235i where availability was limited at the beginning, but is beginning to open up.

Yeh I agree with you. Any dealer trying to charge me a premium for this car will lose my business. I just can't wait for this car, I haven't even gotten mine back from ED and I'm already thinking about the M2.

[bradleyland]

Be on the lookout for dealers flat out lying, telling customers that the car is going to be limited production. Wouldn't surprise me at all.

[Vintage]

almost scared to dip my toes into this water . . .

1) I have an 2010 e89 N54 with 35k miles - awesome and it has been modified! Eisenmann, AR DPs, Stett FMIC, ESS, etc. . . . . ridiculous motor in a timeless roadster with medicore handling, at best.
2) Our X3 35i is now gone, but the N55 was a very very good powerplant. Compared to the N54 it was "smoother" and more responsive initially but lost a little to the N54 on top.

which brings me to 3) I do not give a rat's ass about bespoked motors, exclusivity crap, 0-60 times, or pure hp/tq numbers as they are not important to me - I want a smaller, lighter M, that hauls ass and handles like a curvy lady named Sofia in the sack after a few shots of tequila! I will then seek out the long way home all of the damn time. So what that some will say it is "cheaper to produce," not "special", blah blah blah. I am 42 and have owned many BMWs and none I loved more than my 2000 M Coupe with 240 hp via an S52.

When this M2 comes out, for me it will be the M Coupe I should have never sold or the 1M I knew I should have ordered when I had the chance (a revered car with a modified N54 - a great but not bespoked motor).

PS, I think the M235 looks awesome as I saw a MW one on the road yesterday and it was spectacular. The M2 will be epic - hell if the M2 were not made I will probably still buy a M235, MT, with Diff. I am not paying for a used 1M at $65k - a ED M2 is in my near future! Go put your deposit down now if you want a sure fire classic.

[DVC]

Originally Posted by Vintage

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which brings me to 3) I do not give a rat's ass about bespoked motors, exclusivity crap, 0-60 times, or pure hp/tq numbers as they are not important to me - I want a smaller, lighter M, that hauls ass and handles like a curvy lady named Sofia in the sack after a few shots of tequila! I will then seek out the long way home all of the damn time. So what that some will say it is "cheaper to produce," not "special", blah blah blah. I am 42 and have owned many BMWs and none I loved more than my 2000 M Coupe with 240 hp via an S52.

When this M2 comes out, for me it will be the M Coupe I should have never sold or the 1M I knew I should have ordered when I had the chance (a revered car with a modified N54 - a great but not bespoked motor)...

Well-said!

[MikeASU09]

Originally Posted by Vintage

I think the M235 looks awesome as I saw a MW one on the road yesterday and it was spectacular. The M2 will be epic - hell if the M2 were not made I will probably still buy a M235, MT, with Diff. I am not paying for a used 1M at $65k - a ED M2 is in my near future! Go put your deposit down now if you want a sure fire classic.

Well said, agreed man.

[J-Rod]

So...I just read through the whole 4 pages...

No one mentioned a very important element in the production of this car... Price Point.

Sure, smaller and more nimble will translate into a better car in the power range that is expected...but there is a very real opportunity to cater to a younger consumer dying to get an M car. If I can get a very nicely optioned M2 under $60k a year from now, I'm all over it. M4 optioned to $75-$80, not so much!

PS: Just relocated to Miami from Puerto Rico and have to get rid of my 2010 135i
So I've been lurking here for a 1M or just waiting to know the definitives on the M2 and pull the trigger sometime at the end of next year, when the relocation dust settles... miss the 1er though.

[pikcachu]

well end of next year won't do it... production starts March 2016 so.... expect mid 2016 deliveries at the earliest for the US

[J-Rod]

Great, hope I'm patient enough to wait for the M2.

[twin fed]

Originally Posted by J-Rod

Great, hope I'm patient enough to wait for the M2.

LOL, same here!

[Vintage]

Originally Posted by MikeASU09

Well said, agreed man.

Thanks, I love the M235 styling as to me the new 2 series looks like a BMW that honors the traditional design while blending this tradition with the future; in other words = classic BMW design (sporty but classy). When I look at the M3/M4, they are too, well I don't know . . . gimmicky in design with the lower air dams in front and back? Reminds me a bit of boy racer parts and the F117 stealth. Do not misinterpret me, M3/M4 are great just a bit over done as your eye approaches the pavement for me.

M2 . . . I may kill for one. My order will be: MT, no packages, HK and maybe leather seats but not full leather. If the adaptive suspension is lighter than non-adaptive, I will order adaptive. If the price of the CCB comes down over the next two years and they prove to hold up well on the F8X, I may order those too but as it stands $8k is silly over the stock brakes.

[bradleyland]

Originally Posted by BimmerEngineer

Not going to lose weight. The 235 gained 40-75lbs, the new F80 M3/M4 actually lost weight. The new M2 will be near the DCT 135, basically around 3430lbs. And , like the 1M, the M2 will come in around $60-70K.... Rather the 1M was MSRP'd at $46-48k but dealers sold them for $60-84K... Also, the N55\S55 will not be over 360-370hp at most so as to not encroach on the M3/4 in performance.

Bullshit. No one is paying M3/4 money for an M2 that doesn't even have an S-motor.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by Bennu

Some dealers think that there will be a huge premium on M2 sales when it comes out.

If the M2 at launch is selling at a $5,000 - $10,000 premium I'd rather get an M4.

That's stupid, find some other dealers to consider.

Considering the very little weight difference I'm starting to think the M4 is the clear choice.

[SCOTT26]

Recaro Manual Seats - No
Rear Seat Delete - No
CC Brakes - No
Aluminum Body Panels - No
Badge Delete - Optional
Short Shifter - Manual available.

[M3WC]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Recaro Manual Seats - No
Rear Seat Delete - No
CC Brakes - No
Aluminum Body Panels - No
Badge Delete - Optional
Short Shifter - Manual available.

Carbon roof?

Same steel brakes off M4?

[Wilson]

Originally Posted by JetBlack5OC

Carbon roof?

Same steel brakes off M4?

I seriously hope the M2 will have CC brakes and CF roof, otherwise why call this an M car, more like M performance line.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by Wilson

I seriously hope the M2 will have CC brakes and CF roof, otherwise why call this an M car, more like M performance line.

Scott just said not happening. The M3 just now got those after how many years of waiting. Maybe on the CSL version, if it ever appears. ///M Performance is just a parts bin away anyways.

[ska///235i]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Recaro Manual Seats - No
Rear Seat Delete - No
CC Brakes - No
Aluminum Body Panels - No
Badge Delete - Optional
Short Shifter - Manual available.

Sounds like the M2 base price will be around $50k (us $)

[DVC]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Recaro Manual Seats - No
Rear Seat Delete - No
CC Brakes - No
Aluminum Body Panels - No
Badge Delete - Optional
Short Shifter - Manual available.

Is this confirmed, or just your gut feeling?

I think I'd have passed on the CC brakes anyway. But hopefully the CF drive shaft and roof will still be possible (as well as some other use of CFRP to keep weight down).

[W///]

Originally Posted by Vintage

almost scared to dip my toes into this water . . .

1) I have an 2010 e89 N54 with 35k miles - awesome and it has been modified! Eisenmann, AR DPs, Stett FMIC, ESS, etc. . . . . ridiculous motor in a timeless roadster with medicore handling, at best.
2) Our X3 35i is now gone, but the N55 was a very very good powerplant. Compared to the N54 it was "smoother" and more responsive initially but lost a little to the N54 on top.

which brings me to 3) I do not give a rat's ass about bespoked motors, exclusivity crap, 0-60 times, or pure hp/tq numbers as they are not important to me - I want a smaller, lighter M, that hauls ass and handles like a curvy lady named Sofia in the sack after a few shots of tequila! I will then seek out the long way home all of the damn time. So what that some will say it is "cheaper to produce," not "special", blah blah blah. I am 42 and have owned many BMWs and none I loved more than my 2000 M Coupe with 240 hp via an S52.

When this M2 comes out, for me it will be the M Coupe I should have never sold or the 1M I knew I should have ordered when I had the chance (a revered car with a modified N54 - a great but not bespoked motor).

PS, I think the M235 looks awesome as I saw a MW one on the road yesterday and it was spectacular. The M2 will be epic - hell if the M2 were not made I will probably still buy a M235, MT, with Diff. I am not paying for a used 1M at $65k - a ED M2 is in my near future! Go put your deposit down now if you want a sure fire classic.

For the most part, I agree with you on the exclusivity crap, BUT there's one thing: Have you driven an S55? Since you have extensive with both N54/5, I'd like to hear your feedback.

Because the S55 is a damn bloody good engine (in terms of lag and what not). And it really does pull all the way to redline. That would be one of my concerns with N55,although I will admit I haven't driven them angrily for an extended period.

Also, if the car is not lighter than 3450lbs, I'm going used F80.*

*Subject to change. I change my mind on an hourly basis

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Recaro Manual Seats - No
Rear Seat Delete - No
CC Brakes - No
Aluminum Body Panels - No
Badge Delete - Optional
Short Shifter - Manual available.

What about CF roof?

[KSAF]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Recaro Manual Seats - No

Sport seats that look like bucket seats like the seats in the new M3/4 or normal sport seats like the M235?

[phoenixbmwlife]

M3/M4 seats would be good enough for me