[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by hyperzulu

You're missing my point. The test mule looks to have 19" wheels on it. If they put those as standard on the car, they will probably have to fit 30 series tires, which would not be good. It'll look nice, but you really want more meat on your sidewall for a performance car.

The 1m and e90 zcp package uses 245/35/19 and 265/35/19.

Doesn't the M4 have similar tires as well?

No one is missing your point, you simply have no point.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

I get what you're saying - I'm just not sure keeping the M235 with a full bore M2 also in the cards makes sense...

???? How about some history. ??

E30 318/325/M3
E36 318/325/M3
E46 325/330/M3
E90 325/330/M3 and 328/335/M3
F30 320/325/328/335/F8x M

E82 128/135/135is/1M
F20 228/M235i/M2.


Each of the model lines above has had three US models over pretty much of the entire model run.
What makes you think they would get rid of the m235i? If anything, you might see a 220 or 225 come in below the 228.

[Alpine F31]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

???? How about some history. ??

E30 318/325/M3
E36 318/325/M3
E46 325/330/M3
E90 325/330/M3 and 328/335M3
F30 320/325/328/335/F8x M

E82 128/135/135is/1M
F20 228/M235is/M2.


Each of the model lines above has had three US models over pretty much of the entire model run.
What makes you think they would get rid of the 235is? If anything, you might see a 220 or 225 come in below the 228.

Excellent post until you invented a phantom model You meant M235i

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Alpine F31

Excellent post until you invented a phantom model You meant M235i

Edited. Lol. It's 3am and all the 1 and 2 series were getting jumbled lol.

[Wilson]

Originally Posted by dd1981

Well you made you're case of why they shouldn't add all those things, I'm making a valid point as to why they should. I'm willing to bet that 90% of those things end up in the M2 minus the s55 which we all know is 99% rumored to be a hopped up N55. So be it. Will it still be a fantastic M car. Absofuckinglutly!

Again to save weight, money, they can do all the things people are asking. Not to mention cc brakes will be optional.

Yeah I do want the "clunker" trans this time around. To agree with your comment on the take rate of the M-DCT of 75%, it may even be higher than that. M/T won't be around for much longer and it is what it is.
I honestly don't need anyone's reason of opting for a DCT to justify their purchase, especially pulling out the old F1 cars use it argument. Lewis Hamilton or whoever is behind the wheel, their job is to get that car the fastest possible way around that track shaving off milliseconds and yes the DCT's are waaaaay faster for it. That's his job he's not out having coffee and donuts! He gets paid millions of damn dollars for it.

Now will you ever track your car? Probably not, will I? Probably not. I really don't give a darn if you can beat me to 60. I don't care that your car is .3 tents faster in the 1/4.
I want to row my own damn shaft through those gates. That's the fun factor for me. 99.9 % of my driving is street. And I've had and driven autos and DCT's, and they're fucking boring.
So the drug is still available to give the high, when it's not ill adapt as everyone will with it.

I ask you this one thing. How many 1M's ended up sitting on the lots because they were M/T? Not a single one.

Sure the volume was low, I don't know the exact global figure say 4500 units. 750 in the States. I'd say the M2 volume will be roughly double that, perhaps even 10,000. 35-40% manual, they'll all be sold...

So when will this end? When they stop making the "clunker".

The point here is this. Those of you who like and want a MT seem hell bent on telling the world that it should be the only gearbox option that BMW should put in this car.

I respect your desire for such a gearbox, and hope it is available and you enjoy the hell out of it. But don't begrudge the other 75% of voters who want the M-DCT.

As I said, both gearbox options should be available, but you alienate the majority by saying MT should be the only transmission based on weight saving decisions, or that you find it more involving. Let me guess, those of you who want the MT due to weight consideration, will probably option the car with AC?

I am pro choice in this matter, we should all be able to end up with the M2 that we each want.

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by Wilson

The point here is this. Those of you who like and want a MT seem hell bent on telling the world that it should be the only gearbox option that BMW should put in this car.

I respect your desire for such a gearbox, and hope it is available and you enjoy the hell out of it. But don't begrudge the other 75% of voters who want the M-DCT.

As I said, both gearbox options should be available, but you alienate the majority by saying MT should be the only transmission based on weight saving decisions, or that you find it more involving. Let me guess, those of you who want the MT due to weight consideration, will probably option the car with AC?

I am pro choice in this matter, we should all be able to end up with the M2 that we each want.

More like 90% will opt for the MDCT

[twin fed]

Forget about performance, most of us are driving this car on the street for fun. A manual trans is way more fun to drive than an auto or DCT. I used to date a girl that had an 80's Dodge Colt and it was a 4 speed. The car was a piece of shit but was a blast to drive because it was a manual. And isn't that what most of us are all about, having fun?

[David1]

I will take DCT! I also think this will be limited in numbers just like the 1M but more in total.

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

HYFR!! (Hell yeah fuckin right!!! )

BMW will keep me as a customer if they keep making manuals. If they make the M2 DCT only... I wouldnt be interested at all and will keep my "FAKE" M Car.

Just like the S3 only available in Auto DCT. THeres alrady a huge uproar as to why its not avalable with M/T as well.

Originally Posted by JasonCSU

With a comment like this, it is clear you don't understand. Those of us who want a manual don't care about the performance benefit of the DCT. We prefer the feel, involvement, and control a manual transmission offers. It is part of what makes driving fun. The fact that a traditional manual is less complicated and less costly to repair is an added bonus.

And as others have said, 1Ms did not sit on the lot.

Absolutely they didnt and neither will this M2.

Originally Posted by Wilson

The point here is this. Those of you who like and want a MT seem hell bent on telling the world that it should be the only gearbox option that BMW should put in this car.

I respect your desire for such a gearbox, and hope it is available and you enjoy the hell out of it. But don't begrudge the other 75% of voters who want the M-DCT.

As I said, both gearbox options should be available, but you alienate the majority by saying MT should be the only transmission based on weight saving decisions, or that you find it more involving. Let me guess, those of you who want the MT due to weight consideration, will probably option the car with AC?

I am pro choice in this matter, we should all be able to end up with the M2 that we each want.

I cant really disagree with what youre saying in this post. But, Dont misunderstand. Im in no way putting down the M-DCT or any other PDK or double clutch trans. Theyre an engineering marvel.
Look at my car description, I currently run the 8spd ZF (wich is in no way the same as a DCT) trans, and yes its got its advantages. Its also got its disadvantages. But lets not get into this pissing match any longer of M/T vs. Auto its sort of pointless. Agree to offer both. ANd Im not saying there wont be a day that I opt for the DCT.

However as long as the cartilage is still in tact in my knew and I can bend it Ill desire the Manual. Ive never purchased a M/T and wished I had an auto. But owning several auto's Ive always longed for a manual. THats all, thats where Im at with this. Not really that big of an issue with the WHOLE weight savings thing either, it is cheaper, and its plain and simple more FUN and thats what people are after. FUN.

Most certainly not trying to alienate the DCT guys. Like I said there will be a time where I may prefer the DCT.
One thing to consider is turning the tables and viewing it from the other side. The M/T is whats being alienated and forced into future extinction. Yes I get it, economic, autos get better MPG. Manufacturers will most certainly love the fact that they dont have to pour millions of dollars into development of two transmissions but rather one. In the end its going to happen.

For now the argument stays. What else are you going to do on here? Argue that your silver color is better then my Blue? BOOOOORING. Its all in good fun. I like discussions and certanly dont mean to be aggressive and rude.

Oh and the a/c comment...come on lets not even go there since were not buying Lotus's or Porsche GT3's. BMW from my knowledge doesnt even have a production vehicle in its lineup with a a/c delte option. ANd NO one, NO ONE would opt for that. Lets be realistic. Quite frankly from what I see GT3 owners about 99% of those cars have a/c.

Hell if F1 or NASCAR guys could have it you bet your bottom dollar they have it and never tell you lol. Jeff Gordon, or Ayrton Senna would have an ICE box in that hard ass carbon fiber seat blowing cold 60* air cooling off his nuts while hes doing 220mph. So I think that argument is irrelevant.
I dont want that, I want a/c, I want auto windows. THis isnt 1973 . I sure as hell dont wanna sweat my ass off in a BMW while going to a cruise night, or have to reach over to roll my passanger window down. Eff that noise

To sum it up, I agree. Lets be pro choice in the matter. Definetely offer both. It would be a mistake not to. So we can all have our cake and eat it too..

EDIT: To show you Im not against a DCT, in a certain scenario next summer if I end up with a cayman s, I will have to go with a PDK. For selfless reasons being my wife. SHe has had BMW's and could care less if I got an M car with a stick. SHe has her own and it makes no difference its an M or a 320i. She told me if I get the Porsche she wants to be able to drive it. Fair enough right. I understand...

So there may be a lot of circumstances wher poeple must opt for the DCT anything else would be too impractical for life.

[alz0rz]

Originally Posted by David1

I will take DCT! I also think this will be limited in numbers just like the 1M but more in total.

Pretty sure they said it was not going to be a limited production model.

[mblaucoupe135]

So the lease on my 335is is up in august 2015. Does anyone know if BMW will be willing to extend it long enough for me to get an M2?

[phoenixbmwlife]

Originally Posted by David1

I will take DCT! I also think this will be limited in numbers just like the 1M but more in total.

It will NOT be limited production.

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by Bennu

More like 90% will opt for the MDCT

I dont honestly think it will be that high. But we will definetly see. One thing is for sure. THe demand for this "new" M car is very high and they will not sit on lots. I guess we will have to come back to thread, and update it with the stats and take rates.

Originally Posted by twin fed

Forget about performance, most of us are driving this car on the street for fun. A manual trans is way more fun to drive than an auto or DCT. I used to date a girl that had an 80's Dodge Colt and it was a 4 speed. The car was a piece of shit but was a blast to drive because it was a manual. And isn't that what most of us are all about, having fun?

Yeah I mean bottom line is the FUN factor is just too hard to match. Yes In a traffic jam youre swearing up and down and wishing you had an auto, but for that brief moment. Then you get back in the open and all is forgotten.

Nothing like being on the roll, thrwing that clutch to the floor board and giving a fellow M passer buyer a little blip representing a little hello and respect for the car.

Auto: oh shit wait let me stop put this bitch in neutral, oh shit thats reverse, wait got it, reeeev.

[Steven1077]

Not driven an MT in 30 years, can't stand them myself, I don't find changing gears fun at all and they're now slower and less economical than AT, if you buy an M2 with a MT you will probably find it's hardly any faster than a M235i with an AT

[bimmerbuff]

Originally Posted by mblaucoupe135

So the lease on my 335is is up in august 2015. Does anyone know if BMW will be willing to extend it long enough for me to get an M2?

Probably not. I believe BMWFS will extend a lease only up to 6 months and then only if you have a new BMW on order.

Maybe they'll write you a new lease with new terms, payment amount, etc. for another set term (12, 24, 36 months or whatever), but that would probably not be as good a deal financially.

[ORIGIN M.]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

Pretty amazing that the most sought after BMW in the last decade doesn't have an " m" engine.



What does THAT say?

If it's wasn't for it being a low number car I'd say it's a serious ripped off in more ways than 1 !

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by Steven1077

Not driven an MT in 30 years, can't stand them myself, I don't find changing gears fun at all and they're now slower and less economical than AT, if you buy an M2 with a MT you will probably find it's hardly any faster than a M235i with an AT

Youre probably right. More Economical for sure. But I think people that want the MT arent looking at that. .3 tenths will not matter honestly. Its the satisfaction of doing things yourself.

But in the end the hardly bragging right argument wont stand becase (Im not one of them) when peopole pinch thents like that for 0-60 sake, even a MT M2 with .1 or .2 tenths quicker then an M235 is still a win. You know what they always say a win is a win. I dont think you will be paying for straightline speed with this car. Its going to be very driver focused and track orented. BUt we shall see, its fun waiting for more info.

[IZAGLO]

Luckily..BMW will offer both Manual and DCT Trans or some type of Auto for the M2...it would be a horrible business decision not to...and yes, BMW does like making money. That said i am in the 6M/T camp for sure and will ONLY buy my next car with it...Waiting patiently for the M2.....well not so patient as it's been 16 months now since i sold my 135i and still driving my 1991 Miata which is keeping me sane till the M comes out.
I totally agree that the M2 will be the most popular M car BMW will have. And it will be the benchmark for years to come..Keep it small, lighter and nimble and the buyers will line up in the dozens....as long as it has a manual trans all is golden ! Otherwise the Porsche dealer next door get's my business.

[Jadar]

Originally Posted by IZAGLO

Luckily..BMW will offer both Manual and DCT Trans or some type of Auto for the M2...it would be a horrible business decision not to...and yes, BMW does like making money. That said i am in the 6M/T camp for sure and will ONLY buy my next car with it...Waiting patiently for the M2.....well not so patient as it's been 16 months now since i sold my 135i and still driving my 1991 Miata which is keeping me sane till the M comes out.
I totally agree that the M2 will be the most popular M car BMW will have. And it will be the benchmark for years to come..Keep it small, lighter and nimble and the buyers will line up in the dozens....as long as it has a manual trans all is golden ! Otherwise the Porsche dealer next door get's my business.

Couldnt have said it better myself . Porsche is very likely on my list, but they seem to be surrendering to the economic efficient juggernaut and even the GT3 is a PDK only option. So that leaves me wondering...its a matter of time before we all submit and tap out

[Bigiggs]

Originally Posted by Levi

M2 with S55 would be nice...

Dream on...BMW will never want to canobilze its sales

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by aajami

M235i replaces the 135is.

in the states? i don't care if it replaces a 135i or a 135is.....i would say it replaced both in the states because you can either get a 228i or an m235i. nothing special regardless. (well its a special car but yeah, nothing special like an ///M2 would be!)

[aajami]

Originally Posted by SlowSaloonM3

in the states? i don't care if it replaces a 135i or a 135is.....i would say it replaced both in the states because you can either get a 228i or an m235i. nothing special regardless. (well its a special car but yeah, nothing special like an ///M2 would be!)

Yeah, in the US. BMW didn't replace the 135i with anything -- just the 128i and the 135is (and soon, 1M).