[twin fed]

Originally Posted by dd1981

I dont honestly think it will be that high. But we will definetly see. One thing is for sure. THe demand for this "new" M car is very high and they will not sit on lots. I guess we will have to come back to thread, and update it with the stats and take rates.


Yeah I mean bottom line is the FUN factor is just too hard to match. Yes In a traffic jam youre swearing up and down and wishing you had an auto, but for that brief moment. Then you get back in the open and all is forgotten.

Nothing like being on the roll, thrwing that clutch to the floor board and giving a fellow M passer buyer a little blip representing a little hello and respect for the car.

Auto: oh shit wait let me stop put this bitch in neutral, oh shit thats reverse, wait got it, reeeev.

AMEN

[Nordkeyz73]

Originally Posted by DaFish

Is it just me or does anybody else think the front fender at the driver door looks Like a really crappy add on? Is that some kind of vent? Completely ruins it for me, otherwise a fantastic looking car.

Think that will make it in production?

Next: it better not have the N55. It has to have a proper M motor.

Whatever engine BMW decides to put into the M2, likely the new N55B30T0, will be fantastic. And although people believe that all M-engines were once bespoke, they had similar architecture to their non-M brothers. The new S63 actually shares the same bore and stroke as the N63. And, many BMW engines use the 500cc per cylinder displacement. Trust me, just because it doesn't say S55, doesn't mean it will not be tuned by M, or modified by M. At its heart, the thing will still be "Powered by M".

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by DaFish

Is it just me or does anybody else think the front fender at the driver door looks Like a really crappy add on? Is that some kind of vent? Completely ruins it for me, otherwise a fantastic looking car.

Think that will make it in production?

Next: it better not have the N55. It has to have a proper M motor.

Or else you will stamp your foot and pout ???

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Nordkeyz73

Whatever engine BMW decides to put into the M2, likely the new N55B30T0, will be fantastic. And although people believe that all M-engines were once bespoke, they had similar architecture to their non-M brothers. The new S63 actually shares the same bore and stroke as the N63. And, many BMW engines use the 500cc per cylinder displacement. Trust me, just because it doesn't say S55, doesn't mean it will not be tuned by M, or modified by M. At its heart, the thing will still be "Powered by M".

:this:

BMW decides what an M motor is. Not fans. Fans can stamp their feet, pout, cry, whine, and threaten to buy some other model if BMW doesn't designate the motor they want, the exterior color they want, or if they don't want the active sound that Bmw designed into the car.

Of course what usually happens is the same demanding fans realize how silly their complaint actually is when considering the entire vehicle as a whole.

[twin fed]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

:this:

BMW decides what an M motor is. Not fans. Fans can stamp their feet, pout, cry, whine, and threaten to buy some other model if BMW doesn't designate the motor they want, the exterior color they want, or if they don't want the active sound that Bmw designed into the car.

Of course what usually happens is the same demanding fans realize how silly their complaint actually is when considering the entire vehicle as a whole.

Very true. At the heart of the situation, what does it truly matter which engine is in the car? BMW knows what they are doing. The M2 is going to be a blast and super fun to drive and own. I think that "we" are getting to caught up in the little specifics of what this car will and will not have instead of looking at the big picture. Personally it does not really matter to me what engine is stuffed in the bay as long as it performs, which we know it will

[DVC]

Originally Posted by Kayani_1

Hope they can improve the following:

1. The steering feel further
2. Improve the sound that the car makes that does not go sort of flat after a certain point but rather more intense with each rising rpm a la S65 more than S55.
3. The rev nature needs to be more faster like S65 than S55.
4. Add CF in hood, fenders, roof, and trunk to drop weight lower,
5. Have proper brakes, and tires as wide as possible that they can stuff in rear to give more pronounced aggressive stance.
6. Improved gas mileage would also be a plus.
7. Bring back functional hood scoops a la E92 M3. To get extra cooling for hot turbo motor.
8. Keep price affordable.

Is that all?

I actually quite like your wish list, but in my experience... Fast, Nimble, Cheap. Pick two.

Originally Posted by kevinlevrone

My guess is that the engine will be an N55-block but with two turbos, exactly like the Alpina did with its new B3. There is no way to control lag in an M-worthy manner with only one turbo at the 350+hp power level (would need quite large turbo).

The S55 engine block is too tuneable (closed deck) and would put M3/4 sales in jeopardy.

Also I think that the weight savings will be substantial (BMW can produce carbon fiber cheap with its new CFRP factories) but the power not much higher than the 1M (max. 340-350hp).

Good point on the turbo, but hard to imagine that they'll transform the N55 into a twin-turbo, put it in an M car, and still call it an N55.

I also agree on the use of CFRP, vis-a-vis their ramp-up of new production facilities. If they're going to keep the engine/power relatively modest over the M Performance series-based cars, then they should be planning on going big on weight reduction.

Originally Posted by Smooth 330i

I don't believe BMW will install N55. This is rather a marketing trick to keep competition at bay. There is no way N55 will be in M2 in 2016 when new B series engines are coming out.

I have had the same thought... Whatever power plant they put in this thing, I'm sure it will have ample power - but I'd really like to see it be responsive and willing to rev.

[Jason]

Recent sighting of older prototype still with dual exhaust.

[Kayani_1]

Hey man someone once said if you gonna wish than wish for the stars you might get the moon.

Originally Posted by DVC

Is that all?

I actually quite like your wish list, but in my experience... Fast, Nimble, Cheap. Pick two.




Good point on the turbo, but hard to imagine that they'll transform the N55 into a twin-turbo, put it in an M car, and still call it an N55.

I also agree on the use of CFRP, vis-a-vis their ramp-up of new production facilities. If they're going to keep the engine/power relatively modest over the M Performance series-based cars, then they should be planning on going big on weight reduction.




I have had the same thought... Whatever power plant they put in this thing, I'm sure it will have ample power - but I'd really like to see it be responsive and willing to rev.

[ewohar]

Originally Posted by jaffa12

based on forum wide feedback from 135 owners who migrated into 1Ms, anticipated step changes from 235 to M2 should be significant enough to justify a 235 now and M2 a couple years later. I too have a 235 arriving shortly and am looking forward to the M2 if the weight and value are both good.

Same here. May as well enjoy the 235 for now.

[Artemis]

More recent pictures @Dackelone

M2 spotted in the wild...
http://www.2addicts.com/forums/showp...0&postcount=39

[Dackelone]

Here are those new M2 werkstestwagen spotted in the wild... Danke Artemis

[SW19]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

Here are those new M2 werkstestwagen spotted in the wild... Danke @Artemis


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Thanks for the pics,looking good.Can't wait to see what the final design is going to look like.These spy pics are a great start.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

Here are those new M2 werkstestwagen spotted in the wild... Danke Artemis

You retrieved these new pictures, so the credit belongs to you.

[Artemis]

Any chance that the M2 will get the *open* side vents that were initially scheduled for the 1M but didn't make it to final production because of constraints ?

Back in 2010 the ///M division couldn't get the fender sheet stamping molds accurate enough within the allotted 1M time/budget: accurately mirroring the two fenders sides with functional vents proved to be a PITA.
(http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showp...1&postcount=52)

If the M2 prototype features real functional (open) side vents, then this could explain the out-of-place bolted-on part on the front fenders: hide this novelty + keep the air flowing through these vents.

Render of the 1M featuring open vents:


M2 prototype:



There seems to be equally a bolted-on part on the rear of the M2 prototype. So, while they're at it, they can fit some rear vents as well (M235i versus 1M):

[Artemis]

[David1]

I pray for better looking mirrors.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by David1

I pray for better looking mirrors.

Undoubtedly BMW M will take care of that aspect too. That's more something for the final stage. Same happened to the 1M (test mule versus final version).

[Dboyz321]

Am I the only one disappointed in the look of the M2 so far? I hope they pull out some more design effort and take it away from the 2 series "almost a a 1 series look." I do understand they are still far from production, but it doesn't have that totally new look the M4/M3 have. More of a lazy sketch artist who just erased a few spots from the 1/2 series.

[as7920]

Originally Posted by Dboyz321

Am I the only one disappointed in the look of the M2 so far? I hope they pull out some more design effort and take it away from the 2 series "almost a a 1 series look." I do understand they are still far from production, but it doesn't have that totally new look the M4/M3 have. More of a lazy sketch artist who just erased a few spots from the 1/2 series.

People were saying that of the early 1Ms and it's prototypes. Come the full reveal, all will be well.

Faith in BMW you must have.

[bluekn8286]

Already talked to the dealership! I'm first in line for this one

The only dilemma now is manual or DCT?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

BMW M are fighting for RWD because the M2 is apparently even more outstanding than the 1er M Coupe

We gotta move to groove.

[mthreesteve]

Have the same dilemma! Just put my name on reservation list at local dealership.. Can't wait.

Originally Posted by bluekn8286

Already talked to the dealership! I'm first in line for this one

The only dilemma now is manual or DCT?