[detroitm2]

New street rubber being installed today.

[///AVM]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

Finally got a set.

Visual

SWEET!!!!!!

You going to install yourself?

I would love to hear your thoughts compared to stock? Might be a little skewed for my interests because I've never driven an M2, but suspect it's very similar to M2C.

///AVM

[MikeF87LCI]

Bought these, now impatiently waiting for them to arrive

[KevM2]

Originally Posted by AndrewC1989

Why MP over KW? Wanted to keep it OEM?

The lack of decent height adjustability with the OE kit was a dealbreaker for me.

Oh darn! The MPs aren't height adjustable?! That's gonna be a dealbreaker for me too

[AndrewC1989]

Originally Posted by KevM2

Oh darn! The MPs aren't height adjustable?! That's gonna be a dealbreaker for me too

They are, just not as much as KWV3's.

If you're the type of person who likes 0 wheel gap that will be an issue. If you're fine with factory recommended settings it's not a big deal.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by AndrewC1989

Why MP over KW? Wanted to keep it OEM?

The lack of decent height adjustability with the OE kit was a dealbreaker for me.

1. I honestly don't want it that low. If I could have kept the stock suspension and lowered it 10mm in the back and 17mm in the front (to even the gap), I would have, but the stock bits don't respond well at all to lowering springs. So the MPS is just fine for my height requirements.

2. Price, I got a great deal.

3. KW V3 was my first choice, but I'm absolutely happy with what I got.

Originally Posted by ///AVM

Visual

SWEET!!!!!!

You going to install yourself?

I would love to hear your thoughts compared to stock? Might be a little skewed for my interests because I've never driven an M2, but suspect it's very similar to M2C.

///AVM

A friend that has done quite a few will be doing the install.

I love the stock suspension, so I'm *hoping* I'll love these even more.

[lax01]

Originally Posted by AndrewC1989

They are, just not as much as KWV3's.

If you're the type of person who likes 0 wheel gap that will be an issue. If you're fine with factory recommended settings it's not a big deal.

0 wheel gap you say? This is on MPS:

[AndrewC1989]

Originally Posted by lax01

0 wheel gap you say? This is on MPS:
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Little hard to see the gap with the lighting and the fact that the front wheels aren't straight.

Regardless, I've seen them on a friends car at max low and the rears don't really go as low as I'd like. My buddy had to remove the rear perches to get it to sit as low as the front and that's not really something I'm crazy about. I've gone KW HAS for the meantime and will go V3 when the time comes.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by AndrewC1989

Little hard to see the gap with the lighting and the fact that the front wheels aren't straight.

Regardless, I've seen them on a friends car at max low and the rears don't really go as low as I'd like. My buddy had to remove the rear perches to get it to sit as low as the front and that's not really something I'm crazy about. I've gone KW HAS for the meantime and will go V3 when the time comes.

I think a lot of people, not you of course, but many people just can't see the difference, especially when they add spacers, which takes most of the shadow away from the top of the tire and makes the car appear that much lower.

I'm lucky that I actually prefer some gap. In fact, with 10/12 spacers I could leave the stock rear height and lower just the front 7mm to match it and I'd be absolutely ok with that. Unfortunately, trimming the front springs wasn't an option, so I had to go MPS.

I'm sure your KWV3 will look fantastic, love that look for pictures for sure.

[j23]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

I think a lot of people, not you of course, but many people just can't see the difference, especially when they add spacers, which takes most of the shadow away from the top of the tire and makes the car appear that much lower.

I'm lucky that I actually prefer some gap. In fact, with 10/12 spacers I could leave the stock rear height and lower just the front 7mm to match it and I'd be absolutely ok with that. Unfortunately, trimming the front springs wasn't an option, so I had to go MPS.

I'm sure your KWV3 will look fantastic, love that look for pictures for sure.

I find the opposite to be true; a lowered car with no spacers appears to sit lower than it does with spacers.

Spacers emphasize any gap whereas no spacers has the advantage of the fenders hiding the gap.

That's one of the reasons why I no longer run spacers. The other reason is that I can actually feel the difference in ride quality degrading after adding spacers. Yes, they were always high quality spacers that were properly cleaned and seated on the hub. Still, I felt more harshness.

If you can't relate to this, I encourage you to run spacers for a few weeks and then take them off. You'll be pleasantly surprised at how much better the car feels without them.

Nothing beats wheels with proper offsets. Spacers are just wrong on so many levels.

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by j23

I find the opposite to be true; a lowered car with no spacers appears to sit lower than it does with spacers.

Spacers emphasize any gap whereas no spacers has the advantage of the fenders hiding the gap.

That's one of the reasons why I no longer run spacers. The other reason is that I can actually feel the difference in ride quality degrading after adding spacers. Yes, they were always high quality spacers that were properly cleaned and seated on the hub. Still, I felt more harshness.

If you can't relate to this, I encourage you to run spacers for a few weeks and then take them off. You'll be pleasantly surprised at how much better the car feels without them.

Nothing beats wheels with proper offsets. Spacers are just wrong on so many levels.

Interesting that we have opposite experiences, with perceived low, and spacers. I run spacers on my Exige and can't tell any difference whatsoever.

Actually kind of cool to have opposite ends of the spectrum.

[bimmer98]

Mailed a check and arranged transport. She’s on her way

[lax01]

Originally Posted by AndrewC1989

Little hard to see the gap with the lighting and the fact that the front wheels aren't straight.

Regardless, I've seen them on a friends car at max low and the rears don't really go as low as I'd like. My buddy had to remove the rear perches to get it to sit as low as the front and that's not really something I'm crazy about. I've gone KW HAS for the meantime and will go V3 when the time comes.

Side view from the same drive:

No real rubbing - don't think I'd want to go lower and I don't want a "slammed" car....will eventually get this corner balanced to get it perfect for my weight

[AndrewC1989]

Originally Posted by lax01

Side view from the same drive:

No real rubbing - don't think I'd want to go lower and I don't want a "slammed" car....will eventually get this corner balanced to get it perfect for my weight

Nice, that doesn't look too bad at all.

At the same (or similar) price point I'd still take the v3's, but that ride height looks pretty suitable for me and I feel like I could live with it, so maybe I'll consider the MPS (provided I get a great deal).

[lax01]

Originally Posted by AndrewC1989

Nice, that doesn't look too bad at all.

At the same (or similar) price point I'd still take the v3's, but that ride height looks pretty suitable for me and I feel like I could live with it, so maybe I'll consider the MPS (provided I get a great deal).

And to be fair, I believe the rears are pretty much at the bottom of the threads...

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by lax01

And to be fair, I believe the rears are pretty much at the bottom of the threads...

Are yours at the bottom front and back? I think that's where I'm going to set mine before they even go on, at least in the rear, as I know I want those all the way down, and they're a pain to adjust once they're on the car. The front is so much easier.

[lax01]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

Are yours at the bottom front and back? I think that's where I'm going to set mine before they even go on, at least in the rear, as I know I want those all the way down, and they're a pain to adjust once they're on the car. The front is so much easier.

I think we actually raised the front a few times during the alignment - its definitely not at the bottom (in the front)

[VisualEcho]

Originally Posted by lax01

I think we actually raised the front a few times during the alignment - its definitely not at the bottom (in the front)

Awesome, so all the way down in the back is ok for the install, but the front is going to take some working. I like the way your car sits. If you get under that thing anytime soon, it'd be much appreciated if you could measure the distance to your adjustment ring.

[lax01]

Originally Posted by VisualEcho

Awesome, so all the way down in the back is ok for the install, but the front is going to take some working. I like the way your car sits. If you get under that thing anytime soon, it'd be much appreciated if you could measure the distance to your adjustment ring.

hah I'll try - rarely go down the garage these days - I wish I had taken more pics when the car was up on the rack

[///AVM]

The matter of 'gap' is a tough one and very profile-dependent.

Lax's first pic looks absolutely slammed. Personally, I hate anything remotely close to slammed. Yet, the second pic (at gas station) looks pretty close to spot-on according to my own aesthetic interests.

Even with my own M2C, one moment the gap looks like the Grand Canyon and other times looks 'tolerable.'

Aesthetically, I think the sweet spot for ME would occur by (1) leveling out the gap from front to back; and (2) this would be accomplished by lowering the front by about about .75" and back by about .25".

Performance-wise, I do not mind the 'stiff' ride with stock M2C suspension. What I do not like is the fact that the chassis is a small tank . . . and feels like one. What I would love to know from Visual and others who installed the MPS coilovers is whether they make the chassis feel lighter (e.g., more nimble)?

Thank you in advance

///AVM

[///AVM]

Visual

I am not well-versed on Lotus or the Exige, other than I know you own one and like it.

I have had a few videos 'suggested' to me recently on YouTube about the Ultima RS. I have no idea who even makes the car, but it looks like your Exige to me . . . is the Ultima RS a Lotus?

///AVM

[Zuzu]

Finally got a spare wheel and tyre.