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And there are diminishing returns for power and enjoyability. Sure, 400whp is great, but 900whp is not. Either is 700 or 800. Very few people would enjoy driving that on the street in an STi. No one would enjoy autocrossing that car on a tight course. |
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There's definitely a sweet spot in power and that spot shifts quite a bit depending on the car and what you're going to be using it for. Last week I drove the m240i, M2, and m2c back-to-back and while the power is certainly similiar the feeling of the cars are extremely different.
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This was over 10 years ago so I'm not really going to compare how it drove compared to current vehicles being released. |
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10-17-2018, 06:35 PM | #28 |
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STI is balls slow stock (I owned one as well) on the street as indicated by it's slow 5-60 mph time as the 0-60 numbers they get for those cars are only attainable via driveline shocking launches. From a red light stop you will be left behind the average V6 sedan unless you flog it. A tune makes that slow car fast so yeah it's a bit of a game changer. M2C is fast stock.
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Who cares if the M340 is JUST as fast as the M2C? We all know which is the better car for performance type driving.
I seriously doubt anyone would cross-shop the two.
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History repeats itself. when E90 335i was first introduced like 10 years ago we had the same talks. is the 335i better than the E46/E90 M3? no way jose.
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I really don't like where BMW is headed with the kidney shape on the front of the new cars. (M2C included)
Surely they can keep the heritage of the original and work around that. It's a part of the BMW design. The new stretched kidney design is starting to remind me of a Kia. If this is the design direction I'll likely keep my 2018 M2 long term and just mod it.
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11-18-2018, 07:19 AM | #34 | |
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comparing bananas and oranges ... completely different machines. if 0-60 turns you on have fun |
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As a previous owner of a 135i, and a current owner of an F30 335 I can say an ///M is and will always be different. I've only driven an M once which is the f82 totally different cars
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One of the biggest issue with non-M after BMW uses electric steering is the feel, way less connected compare to BMW of the ole.
Can't say about 340i yet since I have not driven it, but all of my friends actually switch to Audi cause of this very issue. And all of the loaners I've come across give me the "bleh" driving experience. |
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Nowadays, a lot of cars can go 0-60 in the 4 secs range but that doesn't make it a sports car or anything. It all depends on what you can do around the curves.
We've come a long way as far as engineering and the ability to make power. 4.2 sec 0-60 is good for a sedan but then again, it is "M Performance" and costs $55k and up. Just think, a 2.0T Audi A4 or a $40k Tesla does does about 5.5 sec and that goes to show 4.2 sec isn't that crazy fast anymore. |
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