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      10-24-2017, 01:23 PM   #969
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Notice how much of the M3 CS (and indeed the M4 CS) mules is camouflaged.

May just be stating the obvious now but all the key differentiators from the regular M3/M4 have camo on them which leads me to think the M2 Competition will have minimal body changes and will be mostly drivetrain and engine.
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I don't know the answer.

M2 Competition US spec VINs that are known in the meantime over here (see here), indicate October 2016 as earliest build dates.
Someone in the New York City area should take another drive over to BMWNA headquarters and see if they have one in the parking area,just like Adem1534 did back in 2015.


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Someone in the New York City area should take another drive over to BMWNA headquarters and see if they have one in the parking area,just like Adem1534 did back in 2015.


http://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...light=Adem1534
Yes I remember he doing that and snapping photos for us.

Wonder what happened to Adem1534.

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Yes I remember he doing that and snapping photos photos for us.

Wonder what happened to Adem1534.
I remember that. So awesome lol
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Notice how much of the M3 CS (and indeed the M4 CS) mules is camouflaged.

May just be stating the obvious now but all the key differentiators from the regular M3/M4 have camo on them which leads me to think the M2 Competition will have minimal body changes and will be mostly drivetrain and engine.
I pointed this out early in the thread. There is no camo covered splitter, rear spoiler, etc...like the M3/M4 CS test mules. I believe it bolsters the theory of this replacing the M2(N55), which supposedly ends production in 6/18. The test mules look like base M2’s with S55 exhaust notes. This seems to be what is replacing the base M2...S55, updraded brakes, interior upgrades, price increase. A name like Competition rather than CS, which has been reported.

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Notice how much of the M3 CS (and indeed the M4 CS) mules is camouflaged.

May just be stating the obvious now but all the key differentiators from the regular M3/M4 have camo on them which leads me to think the M2 Competition will have minimal body changes and will be mostly drivetrain and engine.
Hardly any changes...

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I'm wondering 3 things. Will we get a CF roof, special hood and good seats for the CS?
Nope, nope, yes... There is no CS, only a Competition and a CSL.

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Had pointed that out in post #942 of this thread:
  • base M2 driver's seat was replaced by the one-piece seat (forthcoming option 712: "M Sports Seat") + all other seats are base M2 seats (passenger seats front and rear);
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Is this the normal M4 seat or the competition version?
Can anybody tell?
Competition seat... as you can see on the photo below

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Maybe I wasn't paying attention. Are you saying that the M sport seat option 712 is only the drivers seat? If so, don't you think it may look a bit odd and make the interior less integrated?
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Is this the normal M4 seat or the competition version?
Can anybody tell?
Competition seat... as you can see on the photo below
I don't know the diffrences between the normal M4 seat and the competition one from the back/rear.
We can't see the two holes in the M2 seat picture.
But I believe you if you say that wee see a competition Seat.
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I pointed this out early in the thread. There is no camo covered splitter, rear spoiler, etc...like the M3/M4 CS test mules. I believe it bolsters the theory of this replacing the M2(N55), which supposedly ends production in 6/18. The test mules look like base M2’s with S55 exhaust notes. This seems to be what is replacing the base M2...S55, updraded brakes, interior upgrades, price increase. A name like Competition rather than CS, which has been reported.
Also considering the powertrain in the RS3 & TTRS which are in M2/M2 Competition price range & direct competitors, are running 10.93 @ 129MPH on pump gas with only software modification, and high 11's @ 115-116MPH stock, the N55 needs to be replaced to compete from a powertrain performance perspective.
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I test drove a new RS3 last week for a couple of hours as I've had the M2 since May'16 and I'm getting a bit bored of waiting for the M2 Competition. Sure the RS3 is fast, it grips well and is more practical. It's definitely faster than the M2, the upshift exhaust note is nice on the auto box and it doesn't have the unsettling thump on upshifts either.

Yet the RS3 doesn't handle as well as the M2. It has some of the same limitations on steering feedback and a floaty rear-end then adds vagueness on turn-in (compared to the M2) and floats a little more as well.

There are plenty of cars that are quicker than the M2 and likely plenty of cars that will be quicker than the Competition. Yet if BMW can focus their attention on fixing the small handling flaws in the M2 and improving steering feedback (as they seem to have done with the M4 CS) then I'd much rather they did that than chase power. After all, where would you use it anyway? The UK B-roads I drove the RS3 on I know well from the M2 and both could get to license losing speeds in the blink of an eye.

Of course, if BMW want to sort the handling, steering, shave some weight off and increase power then who am I to complain!

Oh, and as good as the RS3 was - and it is a good car - the RS3 cured my boredom with the M2!
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      10-25-2017, 02:17 PM   #979
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Maybe I wasn't paying attention. Are you saying that the M sport seat option 712 is only the drivers seat?
Of course not. The pictured car is a test mule. They only gave the driver's seat the one-piece seat treatment to make it less obvious to be noticed by the public.

But over here at the forum the enthusiasts community usually got a tendency to look a little closer. In the past we even "looked through" the camouflage of M2 test mules. The analysis turned out to be fairly spot-on: see this thread and particularly a couple of conclusions in post #162. And sometimes it happens that the findings are picked up elsewhere on the interwebs.

As Suzanne Vega eloquently coins it in her "Night Vision" song: "When the darkness takes you with her hand across your face, don't give in too quickly, find the things she's erased. Find the line, find the shape, through the grain; find the outline and things will tell you their name".
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i didnt think this thread could get more nebulous but Artemis has now gone poetic on us.

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      10-25-2017, 02:40 PM   #981
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i didnt think this thread could get more nebulous but Artemis is now gone poetic on us.
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Of course not. The pictured car is a test mule. They only gave the driver's seat the one-piece seat treatment to make it less obvious to be noticed by the public.

But over here at the forum the enthusiasts community usually got a tendency to look a little closer. In the past we even "looked through" the camouflage of M2 test mules. The analysis turned out to be fairly spot-on: see this thread and particularly a couple of conclusions in post #162. And sometimes it happens that the findings are picked up elsewhere on the interwebs.

As Suzanne Vega eloquently coins it in her "Night Vision" song: "When the darkness takes you with her hand across your face, don't give in too quickly, find the things she's erased. Find the line, find the shape, through the grain; find the outline and things will tell you their name".
Guess I took sport "seat" (singular) a bit too literal. Thought they may be trying to further keep cost down and said screw the passenger.

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      10-25-2017, 03:07 PM   #983
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Guess I took sport "seat" (singular) a bit too literal. Thought they may be trying to further keep cost down and said screw the passenger.

Standing Solitude in the corner now.....
To totally reassure you: the VIN build sheet of an M2 Competition test mule states the German word for "seat" in plural ("ein Sitz" = a seat | "Sitze" = seats).

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May just be stating the obvious now but all the key differentiators from the regular M3/M4 have camo on them which leads me to think the M2 Competition will have minimal body changes and will be mostly drivetrain and engine.
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Hardly any changes...
That's fine by me. My review of the 2016 M2 I owned was that is needed a few things.

1) Lower, better seats (for sport driving) as I had to hold myself in position in turns. It felt like I was sitting on the car rather than in it vs my M3 and I need the headroom.
2) Brakes that don't fall off so quickly on track.
3) Something as an option other than the "burnt wicker" plastic interior trim. (I know this is petty, but this one drove me to distraction.)

More power and suspension upgrades would also be welcome, but not as big as the above. So if we get this list I will be very happy with the M2 Competition (CS), if it's a "sleeper" and not visually different from the base M2 then I'm fine with that.
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Ahhh, the brakes.

Damn those need to be fixed. BMW were nuts allowing those to be signed off on the M2.
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2) Brakes that don't fall off so quickly on track.
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Ahhh, the brakes.
Damn those need to be fixed. BMW were nuts allowing those to be signed off on the M2.
For the record (source: M2 Technical Training - see here):

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For the record (source: M2 Technical Training - see here):

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We understand that they are the same as on the F8x, but they fall off on those cars too. The biggest issue is the bias, the M2 gets really twitchy when braking hard on track. The M3 did not. I would have loved to see the CCB setup on the M2, but I will take new brakes.

Edit: The tone and tenor of the above post is not what was intended. I respect the stuff you post Artemis and have learned a lot from what you post.
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I recall from another thread that while the disc and calliper is the same, the pad used by the M2 differs from the M4 and that's the main reason the M2 fades so badly.

I can fade the M2 brakes on the road with 5-10 minutes hard driving on a decent back road. I've had them fade on a Swiss mountain pass without pushing the car at all. They are shocking and indefensible.

After the Swiss mountain pass episode I took them back to the dealer who checked the brake fluid for water/contaminants. The fluid came back as 100% OK, which lends some credence to the pad being the issue.

Sure, I can put M-Performance pads on, but IIRC they squeal and I shouldn't need to.
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Competition seat... as you can see on the photo below

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I don't know the diffrences between the normal M4 seat and the competition one from the back/rear.
We can't see the two holes in the M2 seat picture.
But I believe you if you say that wee see a competition Seat.
Thanks MR!
I’m not convinced that the drivers seat in that M2 Competition test mule pic is the M4 competition seat.As you said it doesn’t have the holes that the competition seats have and the upper part of the seat in the pic has a totally different shape.It looks more rounded,compared to the back of the M4 competition seat.In the video,the front of the seat does look the same as the regular M4 seat.
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I recall from another thread that while the disc and calliper is the same, the pad used by the M2 differs from the M4 and that's the main reason the M2 fades so badly.

I can fade the M2 brakes on the road with 5-10 minutes hard driving on a decent back road. I've had them fade on a Swiss mountain pass without pushing the car at all. They are shocking and indefensible.

After the Swiss mountain pass episode I took them back to the dealer who checked the brake fluid for water/contaminants. The fluid came back as 100% OK, which lends some credence to the pad being the issue.

Sure, I can put M-Performance pads on, but IIRC they squeal and I shouldn't need to.
The M2, 3 and 4 use the same OEM part number for the front and rear brake pads.

Front Brake Pad Set

Rear Brake Pad Set
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