[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Advevo

A drivers car is a drivers car and when DSC is off you're on you're own and that's how it should be!

So for now a BMW is for me more a drivers car than any Porsche at the moment!

Any BMW , even the most boring 2er Tourer is more of a track car than any Porsche at this very moment.

@André: Jaap in de bocht lol.

Cheers
Robin

[allthatisntnow]

Originally Posted by dmboone25

You don't have to get PTV on a P car though - unless it is going to be standard at some point? If so, I didn't know that.

My 981 doesn't have it - my understanding is that it is mostly utilized by track junkies who tick that box. I haven't ever driven a car with it, so not sure how it affects the overall driving experience to be honest.

I do feel as though my 981 is on another planet, compared to the 235 I had for 17 months, in all aspects related to the driving experience. It's nice to have the choice.

The N55 is smoother and torquier than the 9A1, give it its due.

[KevinM]

While it will be a cool car, I agree that if produced it will only be for halo car purposes. "Regular" enthusiasts will never be able to own one - if not for the cost, the fact that the limited production run will be sold out long before the cars are built.

[DarkstarZero]

I'd rather put the S65 NA V8 from the e9x M3 into the M2, for that price.

A lighter weight M2 with all that turbo power would actually make for a worse car.

But a light weight M2 with a slightly more powerful NA engine would make for the absolute perfect drivers car.

Not interested in the S55.

[03BeastCharmer]

Originally Posted by DarkstarZero

I'd rather put the S65 NA V8 from the e9x M3 into the M2, for that price.

A lighter weight M2 with all that turbo power would actually make for a worse car.

But a light weight M2 with a slightly more powerful NA engine would make for the absolute perfect drivers car.

Not interested in the S55.

Love BMW ///M V8s. I was soo hoping they would put the S65 into a Z4 Coupe.

BTW - Looks like we have had a very similar ///M history.
E36, E39, E86, E92

I wouldn't be interested at 2X the price.

[amdmaxx]

M2 gts is what M2 should have been from the start.. 65k-75k.. Sign me up..

[M2PDX]

Probably out of my price range.

Dack, what are you hearing about a possible 4 door M2?

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by Mustangquadcam

Probably out of my price range.

Dack, what are you hearing about a possible 4 door M2?

Next generation M2 Gran Coupe is heavily rumoured. No four-door this generation.

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Advevo

After I did some research I don t want any Porsche!

Porsche uses a new system called PTV Porsche Torque Vectoring.

It brakes you're inside wheel to get better turn in. I can not be disabled. It is also a lot harder for the brakes.

BMW M has also torque vectoring but has it in the rear diff. It not brakes any wheel it just gives more rotation to the outside wheel and that s how it should be done.

A drivers car is a drivers car and when DSC is off you're on you're own and that's how it should be!

So for now a BMW is for me more a drivers car than any Porsche at the moment!

PTV - Sells brake pads fast !

( That's a play on the " 911- kills bugs fast " for those of you that aren't up on your old school advertising)

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by DarkstarZero

I'd rather put the S65 NA V8 from the e9x M3 into the M2, for that price.

A lighter weight M2 with all that turbo power would actually make for a worse car.

But a light weight M2 with a slightly more powerful NA engine would make for the absolute perfect drivers car.

Not interested in the S55.

It's your money ..go right ahead !

[chris82]

Originally Posted by ried

For more money than a Porsche GT4? Get real.

Exactly, what a f'ing joke. BMW is good, but Porsche GT cars are simply another level of the game.

[Artemis]

I know an M4 GTS at a BMW dealer in my country that has not been sold yet as we speak (still in the showroom).

[phoenixbmwlife]

I just have two questions.

1. Will it be faster than an M4 GTS on the track?
2. If yes, then how much faster?

To me, it's just not worth it to spend $120,000+ (not including market adjustment) on a 2 series if it's not spectacular on the track. The key word is spectacular! Because a slightly used with very low miles Porsche 911 GT3 is $140,000.

BMW should instead work on a CSL with the S55 and light weight improvements, and sell it for an MSRP of $80,000 - 85,000. This way they don't have to limit it as much and they will get more people buying it. Which means more profit for BMW.

[superherorockstar]

Originally Posted by allthatisntnow

Want

So basically an M2 with M4 GTS underpinnings?

Im guessing it won't be offered to mere mortals then anyway.

Id prefer they made a hotter M2, but one thats actually obtainable and not subject to the Porsche GT car sales treatment.

M2 competition pack

[norMcal]

There is no way BMW would put the S55 engine in a M2 GTS.

BMW did not want the M2 to compete with the M4 and therefor didn't put the same engine in the M2, so why would they do it with the M2 GTS, to compete with the M4 GTS.

Just like Porsche "de-tunes" the Cayman vs the 911, so will BMW with the M2 vs the M4.

MY 02 cents is that this article is bogus and just there to sell magazines. BMW might make a hot rod M2 version, but it won't be all out crazy like the M4 GTS. Who is going to pay 120k for a M2?

[VCP]

700 pissed off M4 GTS owners... lol

[VCP]

Good rational

Originally Posted by norMcal

There is no way BMW would put the S55 engine in a M2 GTS.

BMW did not want the M2 to compete with the M4 and therefor didn't put the same engine in the M2, so why would they do it with the M2 GTS, to compete with the M4 GTS.

Just like Porsche "de-tunes" the Cayman vs the 911, so will BMW with the M2 vs the M4.

MY 02 cents is that this article is bogus and just there to sell magazines. BMW might make a hot rod M2 version, but it won't be all out crazy like the M4 GTS. Who is going to pay 120k for a M2?

[technik330]

... let's be real, will it have ///M mirrors though?

I'm kidding, don't freak out.

This is pretty much a permanent fucking high five, news wise, even if it's just a rumor.

Future Thread Title: Pure Stage 2 M2 GTS 650rwhp + ///M Mirrors. #winning

[clubsport]

Originally Posted by Artemis

M4 GTS price = 2 x M4 price = 700 cars = sold out.
http://www.evo.co.uk/bmw/m4-gts

M2 GTS price = 2 x M2 price = limited quantity = will be sold out.

Plenty of folks with deep pockets who want to add a low production halo car to their stable of exotics.

However, I believe that there will be no M2 GTS in the near future. M2 CS is rumored to be the first M2 variant to be expected (MY 2018), if BMW doesn't change its mind.

I think the CS comes first. Why rush, still a worldwide demand for the boring plain jane M2. Might be during the back end of 2018 production. I'm ok with the standard M2, thanks. I still haven't seen another in Los Angeles but I know they're out there somewhere.

M2 CS = M2 + 25k USD + ' dealer adjustment'
M2 GTS = M2 + 50k USD + first born + 'dealer adjustment'

[ron_jeremy]

A M2 GTS, hm, i like the idea.
I think BMW M should make more unique cars.
We have the basic M2, M3, M4 - but then there should be a CSL and a GTS.
But not limited to 100 cars, should be a second digit, like a 1000 cars at least.
But the focus from the next generation M should be on the M2 from now.
The M3/4 is just to big, M2 should be the primary M, optional with X-drive, and add another 20% more power. 😀
Also with a manual, and make a smaller Z convertible and coupe.

[technik330]

Originally Posted by DarkstarZero

I'd rather put the S65 NA V8 from the e9x M3 into the M2, for that price.

A lighter weight M2 with all that turbo power would actually make for a worse car.

But a light weight M2 with a slightly more powerful NA engine would make for the absolute perfect drivers car.

Not interested in the S55.

Quick glance at your car history, you don't love the boost.

On a serious note, I think you've got a great point; however isn't the S65 meaningfully heavier than the S55? I honestly can't recall, but judging by your appreciation for NA, hoping you'd know.

[Powaup]

Originally Posted by Dackelone

Well... nothing has been decided. But my sources tell me that the "GTS" name is winning out so far - in the ///Marketing dept.

This is according to our BMW insider Scott: all M gmbh will get this pattern of variations
Base - comp pack - GTS - CSL

My theory is as follows:
The M2 GTS will be faster than the M4 GTS, because once the m2 GTS is out the M4 GTS will be over 2 years old and the M4 CSL will be on the cusp of production. Leaving the m2 GTS with the "fastest BMW" title for only a short period of time

PS:
Reading these comments I really don't get how much you guys are die hard manual fans and absolutely refuse to buy a DCT car. It's like even if the m2 GTS car was $1 more than an M2 but only DCT some of you guys wouldn't touch it (disclaimer: I drive a manual car)