[MMMBRAP]

Yikes.

BMW M spokesperson Andrea Schwab has confirmed the news. “Yes, reports tell the truth. Production of the current BMW M2 for the European market will end by the end of the year 2020. For all other markets we will continue production,” the representative told CarScoops. When asked if the next-generation BMW M2 will become available in Europe, Schwab replied: “We do not comment on likely M2 successor models.”

https://www.carscoops.com/2020/05/bm...ets-in-autumn/

[M2COMP]

Wow, does it mean for bmw to re think bmw M2 production times for the next generation. Seems like has to do with S55. So could F87 see S58 or it will be the G platform.

[Ratcher]

Originally Posted by M2COMP

Wow, does it mean for bmw to re think bmw M2 production times for the next generation. Seems like has to do with S55. So could F87 see S58 or it will be the G platform.

M2 production will be stopped for Europe. Doesnt matter the engine.

S58 only for the G87.

[goku7]

I guess this was also one of the reasons bmw stopped European delivery ? it was not possible for the s55 to be on the roads in Europe in 2021 and we know the M cars make up most of European deliveries.

[Poochie]

Good, I can't wait..

I've had two different F-Series models and I feel like this generation has run its course.

I want to see what a "G" series has to offer, in terms of reliable power and new features.

On a side note, it's funny how BMW originally claimed that they switched over to the S55, in the M2C, in order to abide by the new European "emission" standards but now they instead stating that they have to start from scratch, to meet regulations, thus, ending production early, of the M2. :

Who do I believe; BMW or BMW..

[DanG]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Good, I can't wait..

I've had two different F-Series models and I feel like this generation has run its course.

I want to see what a "G" series has to offer, in terms of reliable power and new features.

On a side note, it's funny how BMW originally claimed that they switched over to the S55, in the M2C, in order to abide by the new European "emission" standards but now they instead stating that they have to start from scratch, to meet regulations, thus, ending production early, of the M2. :

Who do I believe; BMW or BMW..

They got an extra 2+ years out of the F87 by using the S55 engine. So I think the original claim was valid.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by DanG

They got an extra 2+ years out of the F87 by using the S55 engine. So I think the original claim was valid.

I get that but the assumption was that the M2C with an OPF, met the recent revision of emission standards, for Europe.

What I can't understand is why now it's an issue and supposedly, the reason they had to cut the production short.

One would assume, at this juncture, it would still be fine for at least for another model/fiscal year or so.

[omasou]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I get that but the assumption was that the M2C with an OPF, met the recent revision of emission standards, for Europe.

What I can't understand is why now it's an issue and supposedly, the reason they had to cut the production short.

One would assume, at this juncture, it would still be fine for at least for another model/fiscal year or so.

Probably b/c new stricter standards will be in place.

EDIT: https://www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/euro-...u-need-to-know

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...passenger_cars

Funny how BMW is adding iDrive capability to tune the ASD down. Seems like the may need to add a configuration for "aftermarket exhaust" b/c it looks like they may be coming to an end if they cannot figure out how to reduce emission while keeping sound.

Guess that those waiting for the G models may look back fondly at the OPF as not so bad.

[MystroX5]

New European Emission standards can only screw up a outstanding car. I think this car may be the nexus of the gas engine performance.

[F87source]

I hope all this emission reduction doesn't make bmw tune their cars like subaru, i.e. super lean and prone to knocking even on 93 octane on the stock tune which leads to ring land failure.

I also hope they don't start using super brittle hypereutetic pistons like subaru just to decrease expansion and contraction during warm up just to decrease emissions a little bit more.

[D22M2]

Dreaming of an juiced up B58 G series M2 !!

[F87source]

Originally Posted by D22M2

Dreaming of an juiced up B58 G series M2 !!

Nah nah nah, I want an S58 not a B58.

[D22M2]

Originally Posted by F87source

Nah nah nah, I want an S58 not a B58.

I’m out on the S58 since it’ll have the same exposed oil cooler underneath - not looking to replicate being stuck in Yosemite in my F80 M3 with a branch stuck right in it.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by D22M2

I'm out on the S58 since it'll have the same exposed oil cooler underneath - not looking to replicate being stuck in Yosemite in my F80 M3 with a branch stuck right in it.

The B58 M340i with the ZTK Cooling and HP Tire Package, has the oil cooler in same location, as the M2C. I'm 99.9999% sure the next generation M2 will have the oil cooler, in the same location, right behind the lower front bumper.

BMW probably doesn't see this location for the oil cooler, as a calculated risk, on their part, since physical damage falls under "road hazard" i.e. your personal insurance. Or that's the way my cynical mind interpret things..

I have to say, as someone who likes to have a fast car but prefer to be laissez-faire about having to deal with automotive BS, I'm not happy about that either but its what it is.

[D22M2]

Originally Posted by Poochie

The B58 M340i with the ZTK Cooling and HP Tire Package, has the oil cooler in same location, as the M2C. I'm 99.9999% sure both next generation M2 will have the oil cooler, in the same location, under the front bumper.

BMW probably doesn't see this location for the oil cooler, as an calculated risk, on their part, since it falls under "road hazard" i.e. personal insurance. Or that's the way my cynical mind interpret things..

I have to say, as someone who likes a fast car but prefer to be laissez-faire about having to deal with automotive BS, I'm not happy about that either but it what it is.

Well crap - guess I’m out
Supra B58 same?

[PLF69]

''Production of the BMW M2 Competition and M2 CS for the European market will be discontinued this year!''



https://www.bimmertoday.de/2020/05/2...det-im-herbst/

[mr_lab_rat]

Only for Europe. The other markets should still get 2021 M2C.

[PLF69]

Originally Posted by mr_lab_rat

Only for Europe. The other markets should still get 2021 M2C.

Just realised the news was out yesterday

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by omasou

Probably b/c new stricter standards will be in place.

EDIT: https://www.buyacar.co.uk/cars/euro-...u-need-to-know

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe...passenger_cars

Funny how BMW is adding iDrive capability to tune the ASD down. Seems like the may need to add a configuration for "aftermarket exhaust" b/c it looks like they may be coming to an end if they cannot figure out how to reduce emission while keeping sound.

Guess that those waiting for the G models may look back fondly at the OPF as not so bad.

That's ridiculous they revised the emission standards, a second time, in less that three years..

That's unfair to the automakers; it's almost like they are trying to slowly push out the combustion motor.. 🤨

I have my personal opinions on emission control but I will say, at this juncture; the world is already fvcked, we're just adding to it.

The government needs to back off and just let the technology run it's natural course.

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by D22M2

Well crap - guess I'm out
Supra B58 same?

I'm unable to conform it 100% but since the 2021 Supra shares the identical motor and tune as the M340i, my money is it's in the same location but don't quote me.

[omasou]

Originally Posted by Poochie

That's ridiculous they revised the emission standards, a second time, in less that three years..

That's unfair to the automaker; it's almost like they are trying to slowly push out the combustion motor.. ��

I'm pretty sure the standards are discussed, voted on and roadmapped. So I doubt anyone is taken by surprise and everything is very well planned. In fact, I would think BMW doesn't look at it as oh, crap we need to change for 2021 but instead views it as, hey we can keep using the S55 for another year, while we further refining the S58.

Originally Posted by Poochie

...The government needs to back off and just let the technology run it's natural course.

Hoping this doesn't diverge the topic too drastically but we know that won't happen. Why is it then, when Trump weakens the auto emission standards everyone gets their panties in a bunch?

https://www.npr.org/2020/03/31/82443...climate-policy

When I start seeing diesel freight trucks, delivery trucks, etc. stop spewing out black smoke then I'll start believing that everyday folks really care about emissions standards.

[omasou]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I'm unable to conform it 100% but since the 2021 Supra shares the identical motor and tune as the M340i, my money is it's in the same location but don't quote me.

Are you referring to the 4 banger?

And you get BMW's familiar modern twin-scroll turbo four, here rated at 255 horsepower 295 lb-ft of torque. This motor sees duty in the 330i and a bunch of other cars, and it happens to be quite good; all of BMW's crazy powerful M engines steal the spotlight, but this is a solidly potent engine that offers tons of everyday fun. Those weight savings are nice, too.

https://www.thedrive.com/new-cars/33...u-want-to-know

2019–present A90 Toyota Supra (Japanese A90 models since 2019/international models since 2020)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_B48


EDIT: or the 6?
B58B30C: 250 kW (335 HP) = 2020-present Toyota Supra
B58M30O1: 285 kW (382 HP) = 2021 Toyota Supra (in countries not subject to EU emissions standards)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_B58