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      05-19-2020, 08:35 AM   #1
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Hi all. Hope everyone is safe and sound. Went to test drive the M2C few days ago and it didn't really "WOW" me. Coming from E92 335i. I had a high expectation for M2C. It looks great in hockenheim silver. The turning and steering feels relatively same. I love the hydraulic steering in E92. Torque is plenty but yet didn't surprise me. The weight is there and I feel like the M2C is a bit chunky. Also the seats are way too high. I have tried a G20 330i and yet sitting much lower than in M2C. I'm 5'11, not tall. Let's have a discussion. Maybe I need to spend more time with the M2C to really appreciate it? It's a good car but not a great car imo. Would get a low mileage one with much lower price but not MSRP.
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The weight should be very similar between the 2, so I'm guessing your car is tuned? If not, then maybe the M2C was in Efficient mode, because it should make way more power than the 335. Also, when I test drove my M2C at the dealer, they had the seat up as high as it would go, so that's the first thing I did was drop it down to the floor. It still sits somewhat high relative to the floor, but it gets pretty low, so much infact I can't comfortably have my arm on top of the door panel with the window down b/c it's up so much higher than the seat.
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Hi all. Hope everyone is safe and sound. Went to test drive the M2C few days ago and it didn't really "WOW" me. Coming from E92 335i. I had a high expectation for M2C. It looks great in hockenheim silver. The turning and steering feels relatively same. I love the hydraulic steering in E92. Torque is plenty but yet didn't surprise me. The weight is there and I feel like the M2C is a bit chunky. Also the seats are way too high. I have tried a G20 330i and yet sitting much lower than in M2C. I'm 5'11, not tall. Let's have a discussion. Maybe I need to spend more time with the M2C to really appreciate it? It's a good car but not a great car imo. Would get a low mileage one with much lower price but not MSRP.
I went from a 335i coupe to a LCI M2 then my current M2C. M2C> M2(LCI)> 335 of any variety; each progression by a large margin. My 335 with Sport Pack, etc was far too soft. Although torquey the power fell off way too soon and brakes were, well, acceptable. Each iteration of the M2 has been a fantastic evolution imo...
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Not sure of the type of drive you had and how much of an opportunity you had to push the car, but when I test drove mine I was underwhelmed too. Moving her around on roads with traffic and stop and go, yielded nothing but second thoughts like "Is this what I just put a deposit down for?" I think you have to truly spend time with the car to understand its capabilities and limits. I think most M2 owners will agree, that the M2 begs to be pushed hard and and driven hard, and thats where you achieve maximum enjoyment. I've got almost 3000 miles and I still learning and getting to enjoy this car every day.

I also think there is so much more character and personality in an M car that you dont find in the regular BMW lineup, despite what the numbers say on paper. The M car is an experience.
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Really depends on what kind of characters you're looking at in comparison to your current one. There are lots of differences but only if you actively care about them.

For example, in my experience, the shorter wheel base and chassis alone makes it feel very different. But only if that's one of the characters you care about.
If you're only looking at straight line differences, you'll not find much since M2C is a bit heavier with a bit more power.

I wouldn't buy a car that needed some time to like and appreciate.

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To be fair, the first test-drive in the M2 didn't wow me either (I was in an '18 IS 350 FSport). But after driving the car a few more times the difference was much clearer.

I suggest you just let it go for a few weeks and try again. Make sure you take the car for half a day, and on a day where you can really experience it, like with the windows down, and in a pretty aggressive way as well.
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I’m coming from a stage 2 tuned 435 with coilovers and still thought the M2C was better and more engaging in every way. It rotated so much better through turns and having the LSD had a huge impact. It also felt faster than the tuned 435, more focused and tighter.

I’ve seen people getting rides in a McLaren P1 and coming out with no reaction and looking unimpressed! I guess everyone has a different perception.
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stick with a 335i or the g series 330 if you're a the seat has to be low guy.
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I assume the tail didn’t come out on you? I don’t have my new M2C yet, but the first time I let go of the clutch of the OG M2,...the car drifted out of the dealers lot... I am expecting the new M2C to show similar characteristics if not more.. Most of my cars are manual tho.

I would check the drive mode.
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I came from a FBO N54 335i (~375 whp) and went to an OG M2 and I was definitely a little underwhelmed at first but that's because I was comparing a tuned car to a stock one. Once I did a few mods to the M2 I felt a lot better about it. It still doesn't have the straight-line acceleration of my old car but it drives and handles 1000x better than my E92 ever could. With an M2C all you'd need is a tune and some coding/flashing and you'd probably be super impressed by what it can do.
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M2 sits high because it's derived from the 1 series and carries over the layout. The 2 series has the hatchback root, and has been the least coupe-ish coupe of any makers of all time. G87 seems to continue with that trend from renders, because it too needs to be built from the G generation 1 series, a hatchback.

It's of no surprise for you to feel it instantly, coming from a 3 series coupe.

If it's a coupe you're looking for, the M2 isn't your car to get.
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Speaking of "Wow" factor.
I went from a 2018 Subaru WRX to a 2018 LCI M2.

Wow!
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Hi all. Hope everyone is safe and sound. Went to test drive the M2C few days ago and it didn't really "WOW" me. Coming from E92 335i. I had a high expectation for M2C. It looks great in hockenheim silver. The turning and steering feels relatively same. I love the hydraulic steering in E92. Torque is plenty but yet didn't surprise me. The weight is there and I feel like the M2C is a bit chunky. Also the seats are way too high. I have tried a G20 330i and yet sitting much lower than in M2C. I'm 5'11, not tall. Let's have a discussion. Maybe I need to spend more time with the M2C to really appreciate it? It's a good car but not a great car imo. Would get a low mileage one with much lower price but not MSRP.
Agreed with this as I have a 2019 M2 Competition as it is definitely a bit chunky. A good but not great car. All BMW's are getting really heavy. New M3 and M4 look huge. I'm assuming the M2 CS will probably have the same weight as the M2 Competition?
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Agreed with this as I have a 2019 M2 Competition as it is definitely a bit chunky. A good but not great car. All BMW's are getting really heavy. New M3 and M4 look huge. I'm assuming the M2 CS will probably have the same weight as the M2 Competition?
Has to be lighter no? With the CF parts and wheel?
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Were you driving in Efficient? If so it feels supper sluggish in that mode, especially coming from a tuned N54 which creates boost really early. Once tuned and put in Sports + there's no chance you wont be impressed.
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Has to be lighter no? With the CF parts and wheel?
The CF parts would reduce the weight but the adaptive suspension adds it back. It looks like the CS may weigh the same as the Competition.

Highly doubtful that I'm getting a CS since my dealer is doing some sort of dealer markup. Will just keep the M2 Competition although a Cayman GT4 with a PDK transmission sounds intriguing if it happens.
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Hi all. Hope everyone is safe and sound. Went to test drive the M2C few days ago and it didn't really "WOW" me. Coming from E92 335i. I had a high expectation for M2C. It looks great in hockenheim silver. The turning and steering feels relatively same. I love the hydraulic steering in E92. Torque is plenty but yet didn't surprise me. The weight is there and I feel like the M2C is a bit chunky. Also the seats are way too high. I have tried a G20 330i and yet sitting much lower than in M2C. I'm 5'11, not tall. Let's have a discussion. Maybe I need to spend more time with the M2C to really appreciate it? It's a good car but not a great car imo. Would get a low mileage one with much lower price but not MSRP.
I went from a 335i coupe to a LCI M2 then my current M2C. M2C> M2(LCI)> 335 of any variety; each progression by a large margin. My 335 with Sport Pack, etc was far too soft. Although torquey the power fell off way too soon and brakes were, well, acceptable. Each iteration of the M2 has been a fantastic evolution imo...
Yes. I definitely need to experience the M2C more.
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Not sure of the type of drive you had and how much of an opportunity you had to push the car, but when I test drove mine I was underwhelmed too. Moving her around on roads with traffic and stop and go, yielded nothing but second thoughts like "Is this what I just put a deposit down for?" I think you have to truly spend time with the car to understand its capabilities and limits. I think most M2 owners will agree, that the M2 begs to be pushed hard and and driven hard, and thats where you achieve maximum enjoyment. I've got almost 3000 miles and I still learning and getting to enjoy this car every day.

I also think there is so much more character and personality in an M car that you dont find in the regular BMW lineup, despite what the numbers say on paper. The M car is an experience.
I'm glad that you are enjoying your M2C! And thanks for the input. I really want to spend more time with M2C.
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To be fair, the first test-drive in the M2 didn't wow me either (I was in an '18 IS 350 FSport). But after driving the car a few more times the difference was much clearer.

I suggest you just let it go for a few weeks and try again. Make sure you take the car for half a day, and on a day where you can really experience it, like with the windows down, and in a pretty aggressive way as well.
You are right. More time needed!
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I'm coming from a stage 2 tuned 435 with coilovers and still thought the M2C was better and more engaging in every way. It rotated so much better through turns and having the LSD had a huge impact. It also felt faster than the tuned 435, more focused and tighter.

I've seen people getting rides in a McLaren P1 and coming out with no reaction and looking unimpressed! I guess everyone has a different perception.
It's definitely a tighter car! I felt that instantly.
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I came from a FBO N54 335i (~375 whp) and went to an OG M2 and I was definitely a little underwhelmed at first but that's because I was comparing a tuned car to a stock one. Once I did a few mods to the M2 I felt a lot better about it. It still doesn't have the straight-line acceleration of my old car but it drives and handles 1000x better than my E92 ever could. With an M2C all you'd need is a tune and some coding/flashing and you'd probably be super impressed by what it can do.
Thanks for the input! Appreciate it.
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M2 sits high because it's derived from the 1 series and carries over the layout. The 2 series has the hatchback root, and has been the least coupe-ish coupe of any makers of all time. G87 seems to continue with that trend from renders, because it too needs to be built from the G generation 1 series, a hatchback.

It's of no surprise for you to feel it instantly, coming from a 3 series coupe.

If it's a coupe you're looking for, the M2 isn't your car to get.
That explains a lot. Thanks for the info
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