[Transfer]

The E9x M3 will be the more raw emotional option. The M2 will be the sleek, new, faster, modern option. Every time you spin up an S65 to >8k though...

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Transfer

The E9x M3 will be the more raw emotional option. The M2 will be the sleek, new, faster, modern option. Every time you spin up an S65 to >8k though...

And then one time it goes boom and costs you 16k. At 57k on the odometer.

Unfortunately happened to more than one fellow I know. So yes, this can happen. It's a great motor but failures are very expensive tto repair. With anything less than A 15k delta between an E9x and a new M2, one should go new.

[Transfer]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

And then one time it goes boom and costs you 16k. At 57k on the odometer.

Unfortunately happened to more than one fellow I know. So yes, this can happen. It's a great motor but failures are very expensive tto repair. With anything less than A 15k delta between an E9x and a new M2, one should go new.

This is one of several reasons I sold my E90 but I constantly regret it. I should have just sucked it up and paid the $3-4k for an extended warranty. I'm currently in a car that is better in many ways and with near the same performance as an E9x M3, but dammit I miss the emotion of that car. The M2 will take the 2 series up another notch, but to me at least the V8 is king.

[Denk]

Don't fear the e9x, she's an overall solid platform. Life is short, you gotta pay to play. I've got over 60K miles combined on e92's, no issues. My bud has over 125k mi's, no engine issues. I don't know anybody personally that has had a bearing spin. No doubt it's an issue but a rare occurrence.

[ChrisK]

I sold my e92 M3 last year because it started to tick. I did ED on that car, and I still miss it.

The M2 reminds me of my e46, I cant wait.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Transfer

The E9x M3 will be the more raw emotional option. The M2 will be the sleek, new, faster, modern option. Every time you spin up an S65 to >8k though...

Every time I spin an S65 up to 8300 I take a nap waiting for it to get there

[auf Deutsch]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Every time I spin an S65 up to 8300 I take a nap waiting for it to get there

But once that 295 foot pounds of torque is unleashed......watch out

[SYT_Shadow]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

And then one time it goes boom and costs you 16k. At 57k on the odometer.

Unfortunately happened to more than one fellow I know. So yes, this can happen. It's a great motor but failures are very expensive tto repair. With anything less than A 15k delta between an E9x and a new M2, one should go new.

Not exactly a fair comparison. You can bet the M2 will also turn out to have some catastrophic issue. All cars do and all M cars do as well.
In you are fair, the E92M is the most reliable real M car by a longshot. To fear monger based on a 1? 2? percent of failures does not make sense

As for 'the M2 is faster', do not be so sure. It's ring time is better than the E92, yes, but lets see which E92 it beat shall we
2007 model
6MT
PS2 tires

Since then, you could get an E92 with
OEM software 213E on up which adds 20hp
DCT
For tires, switch to PSS tires

The fact that the M2 did a better time with DCT, PSS (>>>PS2 at the track) is nothing to write home about. Like for like, probably the same speed

[DJKapeesh]

If you buy an M car for reliability first, you are buying the wrong vehicle. If you buy a BMW at all for maintenance cost you are buying the wrong vehicle.

I have a 135i and sh*t goes wrong constantly. It doesn't matter how reliable a car reputation is or has been, it's mostly luck on that part. How reliable will the M2 be? If it is anything like the turbo 6 engines out now, not that good. The V8 in the M3 however is visceral and winding an engine out to that kind of RPM can't be matched by even the best 6 turbo.

I personally will be getting the V8 and holding it forever as it will be the last NA M// car and the largest engine ever in an M3. To me that is worth something more than a *new* shiny car. I have done the new car thing before and it left me wanting to go backwards.

To each his own tho

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by SYT_Shadow

Not exactly a fair comparison. You can bet the M2 will also turn out to have some catastrophic issue. All cars do and all M cars do as well.
In you are fair, the E92M is the most reliable real M car by a longshot. To fear monger based on a 1? 2? percent of failures does not make sense

As for 'the M2 is faster', do not be so sure. It's ring time is better than the E92, yes, but lets see which E92 it beat shall we
2007 model
6MT
PS2 tires

Since then, you could get an E92 with
OEM software 213E on up which adds 20hp
DCT
For tires, switch to PSS tires

The fact that the M2 did a better time with DCT, PSS (>>>PS2 at the track) is nothing to write home about. Like for like, probably the same speed

You are kidding yourself.

The " most reliable M car to date " is always the most recent M car.


I owned an E30 and watched E36 owners talk about how bullet proof the E36 was and that " S14s were unreliable.

And then suddenly crank nuts were backing out and boom.

E46 guys said the same about the S54 ...and again that is Great motor ,, but put 110k-140k on it and it will have issues.

And now here you are as E9x person and there are cars already blowing up with just 55-70K on the dial and it's " the most reliable " M ever ?


stick around for a bit because the F8x guys will be saying the same thing in 3 years when their cars are just out of the warranty period..

[Bluenose-2er]

Originally Posted by DJKapeesh

I have a 135i and sh*t goes wrong constantly.

My 135i has only had two issues in the past five years - air conditioner, fixed under warranty; and brake squeal, which I think is because I drive it so intermittently. Am I lucky or are you unlucky?

That being said, I am looking forward to a worry free 4 years with a warranty again... and a really sweet car that no one has violated before me But I get the classic angle some have mentioned for the E92.

[Three Pedal Steve]

Being a child of the sixties, my dream car has a v-8 and stick shift. In 2013, I ordered an e92 M3 because production was ending. Three years and 52000 miles later it is still a dream. With this car it is all about the sound.

Other than this Takata airbag recall, this car has been $0 in repairs or non scheduled maintenance.

I live with the loaded gun to my head with the rod bearing issue which effects about 1% of the M3 population with the S65 engine- a risk I am willing to take. And I know in a few miles I will need to replace both throttle actuators ($1800).

I can't imagine not having this car. It is perfect in every way. But my local dealer called and invited me to come in next week to drive their M2 launch car. So maybe I will re-post on this thread next week announcing a new engagement.

[8600RPM]

Honestly I had an e92 m3, then f80 m3 but went back to an e92 m3. I won't go into my reasons but simply will comment objectively, gas mileage on the f80 m3 was maybe 1 or 2 mpg difference in my real world driving which is actually having fun with the car. So I certainly wouldn't let mpg be a deciding factor.

Now if 90 percent of the time you do highway cruising with steady 65 mph than yes the f80 or m2 will get much better mpg.

[cole3488]

Originally Posted by 8600RPM

Honestly I had an e92 m3, then f80 m3 but went back to an e92 m3. I won't go into my reasons but simply will comment objectively, gas mileage on the f80 m3 was maybe 1 or 2 mpg difference in my real world driving which is actually having fun with the car. So I certainly wouldn't let mpg be a deciding factor.

Now if 90 percent of the time you do highway cruising with steady 65 mph than yes the f80 or m2 will get much better mpg.

I would love for you to go into your reasons. I'm going to an m2 from a e92 m3.

[nmehta211]

Originally Posted by Three Pedal Steve

Being a child of the sixties, my dream car has a v-8 and stick shift. In 2013, I ordered an e92 M3 because production was ending. Three years and 52000 miles later it is still a dream. With this car it is all about the sound.

Other than this Takata airbag recall, this car has been $0 in repairs or non scheduled maintenance.

I live with the loaded gun to my head with the rod bearing issue which effects about 1% of the M3 population with the S65 engine- a risk I am willing to take. And I know in a few miles I will need to replace both throttle actuators ($1800).

I can't imagine not having this car. It is perfect in every way. But my local dealer called and invited me to come in next week to drive their M2 launch car. So maybe I will re-post on this thread next week announcing a new engagement.

Great points. For me it is very similar arguments about owning a v8 car in a very practical but still fun setup. Yes my car is now 8 years old but still runs great. The lack of a four door m2 makes the decision to keep the car stronger, in addition to continue saving for the Porsche down the road.

Would love to drive the m2 to see what it is all about though.

[W///]

Originally Posted by Three Pedal Steve

Being a child of the sixties, my dream car has a v-8 and stick shift. In 2013, I ordered an e92 M3 because production was ending. Three years and 52000 miles later it is still a dream. With this car it is all about the sound.

Other than this Takata airbag recall, this car has been $0 in repairs or non scheduled maintenance.

I live with the loaded gun to my head with the rod bearing issue which effects about 1% of the M3 population with the S65 engine- a risk I am willing to take. And I know in a few miles I will need to replace both throttle actuators ($1800).

I can't imagine not having this car. It is perfect in every way. But my local dealer called and invited me to come in next week to drive their M2 launch car. So maybe I will re-post on this thread next week announcing a new engagement.

Nice! Which dealership is this? I'll be up in Asheville next week and would love to test drive one if it's at all possible.

FYI, here's my oil analysis for the past couple of years. Important thing to pay attention is the lead. Average is supposed to be 9 ppm. Mine is squeaky clean at 87k miles. I'm certainly in no rush to go change my rod bearings....


Also, I've had to change one TVA. The other one is still original and trucking along. The E92 is by far the best car I've ever owned.

[Bucki14]

Originally Posted by cole3488

I had a zcp e92 m3 as well which got totaled. I loved it. You won't be able to find a good one for less then 42k. This was my dream car the only down side is gas millage. It blows I averaged like 12 miles to the gallon. I also have a e46 330ci and I really like that size. The m2 will have e92 power more tourque and be the size of my e46. The m2 will be the perfect combo of everything. I had the chance to get another e92 and am waiting for the m2. They say the m2 will be 370 hp but it will be more like 400. BMW likes to low ball hp #s

Beg to differ, I bought an e92 m3 without about 40k miles for 32.5k. No warranty either, currently FBO. I've had not problems with my car. Gas mileage sucks...average about 17.3 a tank. But, I'm more of a motor/emotional feel guy than all out power. Faster around track blah blah blah...if you're not racing professionally or at all it doesn't matter. My buddies have m4s..while great don't compare at any of the things that matter to me. Sound, Feel, control, accuracy. These are things the e92 m3 do so well.

[Bucki14]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

You are kidding yourself.

The " most reliable M car to date " is always the most recent M car.


I owned an E30 and watched E36 owners talk about how bullet proof the E36 was and that " S14s were unreliable.

And then suddenly crank nuts were backing out and boom.

E46 guys said the same about the S54 ...and again that is Great motor ,, but put 110k-140k on it and it will have issues.

And now here you are as E9x person and there are cars already blowing up with just 55-70K on the dial and it's " the most reliable " M ever ?


stick around for a bit because the F8x guys will be saying the same thing in 3 years when their cars are just out of the warranty period..

My buddy is pushing 195k miles on his e92m3 tracks it every year at mid ohio and has seen less time in for shit going wrong then the failures on the 135/335 HPFP issue we've seen. Of course he went through tires, brakes and oil changes often.

So the car is definitely a reliable car...now I'm not oblivious to shit going 0-100 real Effing quick.

P.S. I still love the size of the new m2 and that alone is worth buying this car

[Bucki14]

Originally Posted by 8600RPM

Honestly I had an e92 m3, then f80 m3 but went back to an e92 m3. I won't go into my reasons but simply will comment objectively, gas mileage on the f80 m3 was maybe 1 or 2 mpg difference in my real world driving which is actually having fun with the car. So I certainly wouldn't let mpg be a deciding factor.

Now if 90 percent of the time you do highway cruising with steady 65 mph than yes the f80 or m2 will get much better mpg.

I'm on a quote spree lol board at work obviously. But yeah my buddies m4 averages 19.2 mpg..I guess he's on it often..As am I as we ride together often and I average about 17.6 so were at the gas stations at the same time.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Bucki14

I'm on a quote spree lol board at work obviously. But yeah my buddies m4 averages 19.2 mpg..I guess he's on it often..As am I as we ride together often and I average about 17.6 so were at the gas stations at the same time.

I average 18 in my F80 and about 12 in my E92. Put your damn foot down some

[buddalun]

Originally Posted by Three Pedal Steve

Being a child of the sixties, my dream car has a v-8 and stick shift. In 2013, I ordered an e92 M3 because production was ending. Three years and 52000 miles later it is still a dream. With this car it is all about the sound.

Other than this Takata airbag recall, this car has been $0 in repairs or non scheduled maintenance.

I live with the loaded gun to my head with the rod bearing issue which effects about 1% of the M3 population with the S65 engine- a risk I am willing to take. And I know in a few miles I will need to replace both throttle actuators ($1800).

I can't imagine not having this car. It is perfect in every way. But my local dealer called and invited me to come in next week to drive their M2 launch car. So maybe I will re-post on this thread next week announcing a new engagement.

Would love to hear your thoughts on M2 after driving one.

[Bucki14]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I average 18 in my F80 and about 12 in my E92. Put your damn foot down some

Lol I guess I don't drive nearly as hard as I thought I did.

I'll be sure to mash the pedal more!