[mrspin]

So it has to be the added weight. Surely just the addition of a strut brace(the only parts difference) doesn't make such a difference?

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

I think 50kgs is nothing* on an already >1500kg weighing car. You just don't feel it. M2C is turning in sharper than OG M2.

Cheers
Robin

*I'd better have it the other way around , 50kgs less off course but just saying....

While we're already at 1575 kg (unladen) / 1650 kg (DIN) for the M2C DCT, BMW might add as well another 50, 75 or 100 kg, because percentage-wise it all remains marginal, no ?

[paliknight]

Originally Posted by Montaver

Wasn't his best review, it's great at drifting but we knew that already. The whole M2 not fit for track didn't make sense at all. I suspect the M2 comp is so similar to the regular M2 its very difficult to come up with meaningful separation. I think if you drove them back to back there would be very little in it.

I'm a touch confused with the opening, when he talks about the competition badge needlessly ruining the suspension and adding ugly wheels which previous M car is he referring to? The M5 competition got glowing reviews all round.

Did love the little windscreen wiper adjustment mid slide..

That's what threw me off. The intro stated, normally when BMW adds the competition badge to an M car, but I haven't heard of any other road legal BMWs with competition badges besides the latest two cars, M2 and M5.

[Al1969]

Originally Posted by OGM2C

Yep, shame I've a ton of respect for him but I think some of the magic has been lost with the move to Top Gear. He's still a legend but Henry Catchpole is making moves to be the new go to independent reviewer.

What happened to Jethro Bovingdon? he was on form too (remember the 4 part m2 vs Cayman s vs TTRS series) until Motortrend picked him up.

Good point ...

...just to realize how much CH was enthusiast about the M2 and comparison with the 1M ... which I thought was one of the best review about the M2 car... (and I look at all reviews also in French)... well, what to say about the M2C review...

...frustrating... why... we (M2C future owners) like to dream about our future car before and after we buy it ... once we have it... then we know and we forget what CH said...

...during reviews we like to be told the car is beautiful (it is), the new added engine and features are great (they are), the price is a bargain (it is) and that we made the best choice ever to buy the M2C even if our wife like better the new Lexus Hybrid SUV...

... but CH forgot... to me he is now paid to drift and to tell how the car drifts ... and this is what he does ... and if its good enough for the filming production it is not for me (seems not for a lot of gents on this forum actually) ...

[chris719]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

I'm coming from an OG M2 and the M2C feels more planted less harsh/bumpy on B roads and the medieval streets we have here. Dunno what it is, but it feels different.

Cheers
Robin

Could it be that the parts are new vs worn? Not sure how many kms you had on the OG struts.

[Poochie]

I've noticed that this car CH is driving and all the other press cars up to this point and are fitted with the uprated M Sport Brakes (Silver).

I have yet to see a Competition with blue brake calipers.. Anyone have any photos or spot this arrangement?

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Artemis

While we're already at 1575 kg (unladen) / 1650 kg (DIN) for the M2C DCT, BMW might add as well another 50, 75 or 100 kg, because percentage-wise it all remains marginal, no ?

Attachment 1951112

Sorry my bad, OG M2 feels like a Lotus and weighs a lot less.



Cheers
Robin

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by chris719

Could it be that the parts are new vs worn? Not sure how many kms you had on the OG struts.

Only 29000km/18000 miles.

I don't think so.

Cheers
Robin.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Poochie

I've noticed that this car CH is driving and all the other press cars up to this point and are fitted with the uprated M Sport Brakes (Silver).

I have yet to see a Competition with blue brake calipers.. Anyone have any photos or spot this arrangement?

My car:



Cheers
Robin

[Poochie]

Originally Posted by Robin_NL

My car:

[img]https://static.afbeeldinguploaden.nl...1/C2lwYuoh.jpg[/img]

Cheers
Robin

Nice! For a minute, I thought they made the sliver calipers the default choice.. From Joe Achilles ordering video, they were on heavy backorder.. That's cool you get the option in your region.

Why didn't you feel the need to upgrade to the M Sport ? Not necessary?

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by Poochie

Nice! For a minute, I thought they made the sliver calipers the default choice.. From Joe Achilles ordering video, they were on heavy backorder.. That's cool you get the option in your region.

Why didn't you feel the need to upgrade to the M Sport ? Not necessary?

No because a total 16kgs more of unsprung weight plus the blue ones are Brembos too and just fine. Christian Gebhardt ( sportauto carmag) didn't feel any difference in stopping distance between both M2. And no factual shorter stopping distances with BBK.
Higher quality brake fluid and trackpads and you're good to go.

Cheers
Robin

[HPIA4v2]

Originally Posted by chris719

Could it be that the parts are new vs worn? Not sure how many kms you had on the OG struts.

Things that make you ehmmmm
Along same argument, how some keep saying 1M with 5-6 year old suspension is better than brand new M2 or M2C (with brand new suspension/struts etc) in terms of handling.

[Robin_NL]

Originally Posted by HPIA4v2

Things that make you ehmmmm
Along same argument, how some keep saying 1M with 5-6 year old suspension is better than brand new M2 or M2C (with brand new suspension/struts etc) in terms of handling.

1M was a terribly bouncy car. But it was more fun than any car I had. And with 18 inch wintersetup (225 square, yes that's asking for wheelspin) it was so playable like an Escort Mk2 rallycar on steroids.

Cheers
Robin

[VIERsr]

I'm wondering if a normal driver can feel the different braking power of BBK as well as the increased unsprung weight

[///M TOWN]

What a great way to destroy a perfectly good set of rubber.

Chris Harris is always amazingly fun to watch.

VV not so much.

[seis-speed]

Nice to hear a journalist be “sniffy” about the added weight and the power to weight ratio being considered.

The Ascari reviews at The BMW Launch - seemed to skip right over that issue.

For those of us hoping for a 3300lb CS/CSL model, the new attainable benchmark is the OG’s 3450lbs. Again, I am not bashing the M2C, just highlighting the disappointment in the spec of this car being heavier than anticipated.

[burrito007]

Originally Posted by Poochie

True that, at this juncture, there's only so much left to discover.. I guess the M2C's reviews have come full circle and is now bordering redundancy..

Unlike VV, at least he got all the facts correct, so any of his criticism hold more weight and credibility..

BTW, what's a "Yuba"? I didn't even understand the context it was used.. Even my homeboy Google is stumped :

"yob" british word for punk-ass-kid

[lax01]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

Nice to hear a journalist be “sniffy” about the added weight and the power to weight ratio being considered.

The Ascari reviews at The BMW Launch - seemed to skip right over that issue.

For those of us hoping for a 3300lb CS/CSL model, the new attainable benchmark is the OG’s 3450lbs. Again, I am not bashing the M2C, just highlighting the disappointment in the spec of this car being heavier than anticipated.

Would definitely consider the CS model if sub 3400 lbs...3200 sounds perfect - will never happen but we can hope and dream

Looks like I need to head back to the P-car side to get a non-pig-heavy performance car

[Rupes]

Originally Posted by OGM2C

you mean other than:

• significantly more powerful, larger power band, higher revving engine
• significantly improved engine cooling
• significantly larger brakes and brake ducts
• significantly higher quality more supportive seats
• significantly more front end rigidity
• revised LSD, DSC and TCU software
• redesigned front end

The penalty for this? 100-150lbs more weight? - I'll agree the portion of that new weight that is unsprung is not ideal but jeeze... honestly what more do you expect from the introduction of a slightly higher specification of a current generation car?

Thought I'd leave this here from our friends at Merriam-Webster...

Significantly: in a sufficiently great or important way as to be worthy of attention.

Pretty sure most people outside the M2 forums wouldn't claim all of these are "significant" changes outside of the engine. Maybe "minor" or"subjectively" is a more appropriate word for some of these?

But I digress, the M2C is an updated M2, if it wasn't "better" BMW would be in trouble. But since we're being ridiculous, I decided to create my own significant list...

OGM2
• Significantly better sounding

• Significantly better looking rear end (no cow udder muffler)

• Significantly less unibrow

• Significantly better looking wheels

• Significantly less weight

• Significantly less weight up high (no sunroof option)

• Significantly more affordable (MSRP and fuel economy)

• Significantly more comfortable front seats.

[lax01]

Originally Posted by Rupes

OGM2
• Significantly better sounding
• Significantly better looking rear end (no cow udder muffler)
• Significantly less unibrow
• Significantly better looking wheels
• Significantly less weight
• Significantly less weight up high (no sunroof option)
• Significantly more affordable (MSRP and fuel economy)
• Significantly more comfortable front seats.

Agreed - especially the bold ones!

[VIERsr]

Sound, wheels, unibrow.... it's all significantly subjective M2C is an improved M2 with a real M engine, real M seats, real M mirrors, hard to accept but it's the truth If the OG M2 was still for sale, i bet nobody would prefer it to the Competition.

[Rupes]

Originally Posted by _RS4_

Sound, wheels, unibrow.... it's all significantly subjective M2C is an improved M2 with a real M engine, real M seats, real M mirrors, hard to accept but it's the truth If the OG M2 was still for sale, i bet nobody would prefer it to the Competition.

If the M240i, M2, and M2C existed at the same time, I would agree that very few (but not no one) would pick the M2. By your logic, people wouldn't buy M3/4 without the comp package, but we know this still happens.

Now, if the M2 was priced at 2016 or 2017 pricing, that'd be an interesting comparison...the original M2 was a bargain M car, but is now it's fairly close to an M3 in price.