[Aerosoul Bastard]

Originally Posted by Al1969

Hehe 😂
You sound like a lost Audi driver in a M forum ... but you are right... my wife keeps telling me I am stupid when I say we should get rid of the A4 alroad ... probably due to my Swiss mountain love driving origins😜

our mountains are perfectly fine to ride for audis too

[baki777]

Originally Posted by Al1969

Chasseral😍😍😍

You mean this chasseral?

btw is your competition dct?

[mr_lab_rat]

Since this thread got revived could you tell me what happened?
Was it just the Sport+ MDM mode or DSC fully off?
I'm still trying to experiment with different driving modes and push the car a bit more.
So far the Sport+ is not really letting me slide it much.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Al1969

Last sunday, one turn driving sport+, lost control at turn exit and could not bring back the car on road, hit badly small trees on the side ... as a result insurance expert declared the car full dammage, it was too expensive to repear it ... that is for the story

Originally Posted by baki777

And now you are upgrading to a competition after not beeing able to control the OG M2. Well done. Take a 120i xdrive not only for also for other people on the roads.

Al1969, as you totaled your M2 in SPORT+ mode (part of the safety nannies inactive), are you also gonna drive your M2C in SPORT+ mode in the mountains or will you settle for SPORT mode (all safety nannies active) ?

[Aerosoul Bastard]

Originally Posted by Al1969

Maybe ... we don't see them at all 👍😛

I see them a lot here in switzerland

[David1]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Al1969, as you totaled your M2 in SPORT+ mode (part of the safety nannies inactive), are you also gonna drive your M2C in SPORT+ mode in the mountains or will you settle for SPORT mode (all safety nannies active) ?

All nannies are still on in sport +. It just gives a little more freedom to slide around. But, the laws od physics are the laws of physics. Enough speed and momentum and nothing will save your ass, especially when two or more wheels leave the ground.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by David1

All nannies are still on in sport +. It just gives a little more freedom to slide around.

Safety nannies are on full standby in COMFORT mode and SPORT mode. 'Early' intervention (experienced by some drivers as 'too nosy'). In SPORT+ mode intervention happens when closer to the limit of control / loss of control. See the dedicated thread here.

[2nd chance]

Originally Posted by rich8566

It looks like there's some roof crush there. No issues to your head and neck when you rolled?

No (serious) injuries whatsoever. Like I said, just the seatbelt printed on the chest... and I bit the back of my tongue, couldn't eat for 12 hours (only noticed that 6 hours after crash).
If there would have been someone sitting in the backseat... Dead as a Dodo... The rear (backhalf of the roof and the trunk) was completely flattened.

SPORT+ will NOT save your ass... Just saying...

[champignon]

Originally Posted by baki777

it's not allowed

Maybe in Switzerland, but it's legal in all 50 United States; anything else you might read (with regard to motor laws in the USA) is fictitious.

I can actually (somewhat) appreciate the ban on driving with flip flops in some European countries. It is conceivable, if unlikely, that a flip flop could become lodged under the clutch or brake or accelerator pedal. But bare feet? What's the risk? ZERO. And it gives you better control than any pair of shoes.

Even when I am in Europe (twice a year) I drive barefoot. I'm willing to take the risk of getting caught. If caught, it's not like you got caught doing anything that any rational person would give a shit about. Recently I was thinking about this at a gas station in France where I had just filled up (in Burgundy). There was a huge truck in the adjacent truck bay and the driver got in wearing socks, only. Obviously, I'm not the only one :-) I see the same thing at rest stops on the autoroutes in France, when you look at how people have their feet attired as they go into the restrooms!

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by champignon

Maybe in Switzerland, but it's legal in all 50 United States; anything else you might read (with regard to motor laws in the USA) is fictitious.
I can actually (somewhat) appreciate the ban on driving with flip flops in some European countries. It is conceivable, if unlikely, that a flip flop could become lodged under the clutch or brake or accelerator pedal. But bare feet? What's the risk? ZERO. And it gives you better control than any pair of shoes.
Even when I am in Europe (twice a year) I drive barefoot. I'm willing to take the risk of getting caught. If caught, it's not like you got caught doing anything that any rational person would give a shit about. Recently I was thinking about this at a gas station in France where I had just filled up (in Burgundy). There was a huge truck in the adjacent truck bay and the driver got in wearing socks, only. Obviously, I'm not the only one :-) I see the same thing at rest stops on the autoroutes in France, when you look at how people have their feet attired as they go into the restrooms!

What about Spain ?

The unbelievable rules of the road in Spain (source: here):

1. Driving with one hand or arm outside of the vehicle can lead to a fine of €100. Article 18 of the General Traffic Law states that the driver and passengers should always maintain a sensible position inside the vehicle.
2. Driving without wearing a shirt, being barefoot or wearing flip-flops comes with a fine of €200. According to the law, driving without ‘proper’ clothing or footwear could diminish the driver’s capacity to control the vehicle.
3. You have to be extremely careful when parking on sand at the beach because if the area is classified as ‘protected’, you could end up with a fine of up to €6,000.
4. Making the most of being stationary at a red light by touching up your make-up or eating food could cost you €200 euro and two points off your licence.
5. Driving while blasting music in a quiet area like a hospital or during the early hours of the morning can lead to a fine of €80–100. In one case, a fine of €2,400 was imposed because the noise prevented homeowners from sleeping.
6. You should only use the car horn in cases of emergencies such as avoiding an accident and alerting another motorist that you plan on overtaking their vehicle. Any other use could lead to a fine of €80.
7. Driving in the left-hand lane or in the middle lane if the right-hand lane is free could result in a fine of €200, according to Articles 28 and 31.
8. Be careful if you’re having an argument while driving. If you are caught taking your eyes off the road on several occasions, you could end up with a fine of €80. The same amount will be applied if the driver is caught biting his nails, kissing a passenger or insulting other drivers through hand gestures.
9. Both hands should be kept on the steering wheel while driving and the driver’s ears should be visible.
10. Filling up the car with petrol with the radio on could lead to a fine of up to €91.

[Aerosoul Bastard]

Originally Posted by champignon

Maybe in Switzerland, but it's legal in all 50 United States; anything else you might read (with regard to motor laws in the USA) is fictitious.

well here it is not specifically forbidden by law too, but 9 out of 10 insurances wont pay you anything at all, the same with missing snow tires after an accident on snowy ground

[champignon]

Originally Posted by Aerosoul Bastard

well here it is not specifically forbidden by law too, but 9 out of 10 insurances wont pay you anything at all, the same with missing snow tires after an accident on snowy ground

So do 9 out of 10 Swiss Insurers state in their coverage that if you are involved in an accident and you aren't wearing footwear acceptable to them, that they won't pay you? Sounds like an opportunity for a competitor, given that there is no rational basis for such a policy.

One could certainly argue that in the case of a serious accident that having all of your body covered in a protective suit of some sort would be beneficial. No argument with that. But as to the idea that you are more likely to be responsible for creating an accident because you are wearing shorts or no shoes at all -- that's just ridiculous.

I think that people should wear whatever they are most comfortable wearing when they drive, so long as what they are wearing doesn't compromise their ability to drive or creates a problem for the safety of others.

As to missing snow tires in on snowy ground, that should depend on whether or not the tires were a contributing factor in the accident. I have snow tires installed on the two cars that I drive in the winter, so obviously I believe that they have value. On the other hand, if you were dumb enough to be driving a car with Michelin Pilot Super Sports in the snow, and some idiot with snow tires on their car runs into you, totally their fault, then I don't think that your tires had anything to do with it, and you should be covered.

[Fedorov]

Originally Posted by Artemis

What about Spain ?

The unbelievable rules of the road in Spain (source: here):

1. Driving with one hand or arm outside of the vehicle can lead to a fine of €100. Article 18 of the General Traffic Law states that the driver and passengers should always maintain a sensible position inside the vehicle.
2. Driving without wearing a shirt, being barefoot or wearing flip-flops comes with a fine of €200. According to the law, driving without ‘proper’ clothing or footwear could diminish the driver’s capacity to control the vehicle.
3. You have to be extremely careful when parking on sand at the beach because if the area is classified as ‘protected’, you could end up with a fine of up to €6,000.
4. Making the most of being stationary at a red light by touching up your make-up or eating food could cost you €200 euro and two points off your licence.
5. Driving while blasting music in a quiet area like a hospital or during the early hours of the morning can lead to a fine of €80–100. In one case, a fine of €2,400 was imposed because the noise prevented homeowners from sleeping.
6. You should only use the car horn in cases of emergencies such as avoiding an accident and alerting another motorist that you plan on overtaking their vehicle. Any other use could lead to a fine of €80.
7. Driving in the left-hand lane or in the middle lane if the right-hand lane is free could result in a fine of €200, according to Articles 28 and 31.
8. Be careful if you’re having an argument while driving. If you are caught taking your eyes off the road on several occasions, you could end up with a fine of €80. The same amount will be applied if the driver is caught biting his nails, kissing a passenger or insulting other drivers through hand gestures.
9. Both hands should be kept on the steering wheel while driving and the driver’s ears should be visible.
10. Filling up the car with petrol with the radio on could lead to a fine of up to €91.

Imo all of those laws make sense. The road is a place for keeping focus and not being distracted nor creating distractions.
I can imagine the need for these laws "especialmente en España" since I've been there a couple of times.

[baki777]

Originally Posted by champignon

Maybe in Switzerland, but it's legal in all 50 United States; anything else you might read (with regard to motor laws in the USA) is fictitious.

I can actually (somewhat) appreciate the ban on driving with flip flops in some European countries. It is conceivable, if unlikely, that a flip flop could become lodged under the clutch or brake or accelerator pedal. But bare feet? What's the risk? ZERO. And it gives you better control than any pair of shoes.

Even when I am in Europe (twice a year) I drive barefoot. I'm willing to take the risk of getting caught. If caught, it's not like you got caught doing anything that any rational person would give a shit about. Recently I was thinking about this at a gas station in France where I had just filled up (in Burgundy). There was a huge truck in the adjacent truck bay and the driver got in wearing socks, only. Obviously, I'm not the only one :-) I see the same thing at rest stops on the autoroutes in France, when you look at how people have their feet attired as they go into the restrooms!

I drove in flip flops in Italy and got a ticket.
I think you lost a lot of grip. It's not without reason not allowed in some countrys.
Would never refer to other people how they drive.
However they are worse things what you can do as driver so take care

[baki777]

Originally Posted by champignon

So do 9 out of 10 Swiss Insurers state in their coverage that if you are involved in an accident and you aren't wearing footwear acceptable to them, that they won't pay you? Sounds like an opportunity for a competitor, given that there is no rational basis for such a policy.

One could certainly argue that in the case of a serious accident that having all of your body covered in a protective suit of some sort would be beneficial. No argument with that. But as to the idea that you are more likely to be responsible for creating an accident because you are wearing shorts or no shoes at all -- that's just ridiculous.

I think that people should wear whatever they are most comfortable wearing when they drive, so long as what they are wearing doesn't compromise their ability to drive or creates a problem for the safety of others.

As to missing snow tires in on snowy ground, that should depend on whether or not the tires were a contributing factor in the accident. I have snow tires installed on the two cars that I drive in the winter, so obviously I believe that they have value. On the other hand, if you were dumb enough to be driving a car with Michelin Pilot Super Sports in the snow, and some idiot with snow tires on their car runs into you, totally their fault, then I don't think that your tires had anything to do with it, and you should be covered.

I don't know the law situation in the US.
But if you have some minor changes on your car for example blacked out taillights (which is forbidden in switzerland) or other sde mirors, you will be guilty in an accident in form that the insurance won't pay. Even then when the accident had nothing to do with your changes.

[baki777]

Originally Posted by Artemis

What about Spain ?

The unbelievable rules of the road in Spain (source: here):

1. Driving with one hand or arm outside of the vehicle can lead to a fine of €100. Article 18 of the General Traffic Law states that the driver and passengers should always maintain a sensible position inside the vehicle.
2. Driving without wearing a shirt, being barefoot or wearing flip-flops comes with a fine of €200. According to the law, driving without ‘proper’ clothing or footwear could diminish the driver’s capacity to control the vehicle.
3. You have to be extremely careful when parking on sand at the beach because if the area is classified as ‘protected’, you could end up with a fine of up to €6,000.
4. Making the most of being stationary at a red light by touching up your make-up or eating food could cost you €200 euro and two points off your licence.
5. Driving while blasting music in a quiet area like a hospital or during the early hours of the morning can lead to a fine of €80–100. In one case, a fine of €2,400 was imposed because the noise prevented homeowners from sleeping.
6. You should only use the car horn in cases of emergencies such as avoiding an accident and alerting another motorist that you plan on overtaking their vehicle. Any other use could lead to a fine of €80.
7. Driving in the left-hand lane or in the middle lane if the right-hand lane is free could result in a fine of €200, according to Articles 28 and 31.
8. Be careful if you’re having an argument while driving. If you are caught taking your eyes off the road on several occasions, you could end up with a fine of €80. The same amount will be applied if the driver is caught biting his nails, kissing a passenger or insulting other drivers through hand gestures.
9. Both hands should be kept on the steering wheel while driving and the driver’s ears should be visible.
10. Filling up the car with petrol with the radio on could lead to a fine of up to €91.

The last one make definitively sense.

[champignon]

Originally Posted by baki777

I don't know the law situation in the US.
But if you have some minor changes on your car for example blacked out taillights (which is forbidden in switzerland) or other sde mirors, you will be guilty in an accident in form that the insurance won't pay. Even then when the accident had nothing to do with your changes.

I don't modify cars, so I'll never be "guilty" of that. Why anyone would black out taillights, brake lights, or indicator lights on side mirrors is beyond my comprehension.

There is, however, no reason why driving barefoot presents a hazard to the driver or to any other vehicle. It simply does not. I think you can actually make a pretty strong argument that it is safer, as there is zero possibility of footwear causing a problem, as it sometimes does, and if having a direct contact between your body and "control surfaces" of a vehicle presents a hazard, I'd like to know of the evidence supporting that idea.

[champignon]

Originally Posted by baki777

The last one make definitively sense.

Could depend on the station you are listening to :-)

By the way, Artemis, how are you doing now, after your scooter accident? Are you healed up enough to drive your M2?

[MZWIE]

Darwin award nominee.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by champignon

By the way, Artemis, how are you doing now, after your scooter accident? Are you healed up enough to drive your M2?

Recovering from a 'Schatzker Type VI' tibia plateau high-energy fracture (+ broken ribs and shoulder blade) ain't no walk in the park.

"Serious leg injuries, but feel lucky that you still got your leg". Metal plates and screws keep the injured leg together. 12 weeks of non-weight bearing (which substantially reduces muscle power). Literary in 'limp mode' for many months: wheelchair and crutches. Numerous sessions in a hospital rehab center, re-educating how to properly walk again, managing pain levels during exercises (increasing 'Range Of Motion' with a CPM torture machine during the first weeks), staying committed to make progress under proper guidance of physiotherapists. It appears that my progress goes well.

After 5 months I resumed driving my cars (surgeon considered me fit for driving). No issues. I already drove my M2 for a few hours too. With one of my family cars I visited twice the mountains: long stints with manual transmission to check my driving reflexes and stamina/endurance levels. Those training sessions also went well. I plan to drive my M2 in the mountains again this Spring. Remains to be seen if I can still pull off 12-hr stints of (spirited) mountain driving with my manual transmission.

Earlier this month - almost 7 months since my accident - I finally started walking without crutches. At last. Normal pace, no limping, but still too early for running. Nature takes its time to heal what's broken. My hospital rehab sessions will likely continue for several months (further improvement).

Work ? Though the pace was inevitably slower during the first stages (hospitalization period with laptop madness), the accident didn't stop me in my tracks. Never back down.

From my mountain drive 'training sessions':

[champignon]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Recovering from a 'Schatzker Type VI' tibia plateau high-energy fracture (+ broken ribs and shoulder blade) ain't no walk in the park.

"Serious leg injuries, but feel lucky that you still got your leg". Metal plates and screws keep the injured leg together. 12 weeks of non-weight bearing (which substantially reduces muscle power). Literary in 'limp mode' for many months: wheelchair and crutches. Numerous sessions in a hospital rehab center, re-educating how to properly walk again, managing pain levels during exercises (increasing 'Range Of Motion' with a CPM torture machine during the first weeks), staying committed to make progress under proper guidance of physiotherapists. It appears that my progress goes well.

After 5 months I resumed driving my cars (surgeon considered me fit for driving). No issues. I already drove my M2 for a few hours too. With one of my family cars I visited twice the mountains: long stints with manual transmission to check my driving reflexes and stamina/endurance levels. Those training sessions also went well. I plan to drive my M2 in the mountains again this Spring. Remains to be seen if I can still pull off 12-hr stints of (spirited) mountain driving with my manual transmission.

Earlier this month - almost 7 months since my accident - I finally started walking without crutches. At last. Normal pace, no limping, but still too early for running. Nature takes its time to heal what's broken. My hospital rehab sessions will likely continue for several months (further improvement).

Work ? Though the pace was inevitably slower during the first stages (hospitalization period with laptop madness), the accident didn't stop me in my tracks. Never back down.

From my mountain drive 'training sessions':

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I am very happy to read (and see) this. It is definitely a "truism" that adversity builds character.

Life throws many challenges in our way, like it is testing us. Every problem and disaster lays the groundwork for how we deal with the next one; hopefully there are not too many over the span of a lifetime.

My business partner is French and about 1/2 my age, plus he runs the businesses (a small chain of pizzerias). We have screwed up a few times and earlier it was as if we were done, in the eyes of my colleague. Then I would say, "this is nothing, we will survive it." And we did. I said there is no possibility of real success without failure; there isn't.

And now I see that he is starting to think the same way; failure is bumps along the road, but if you keep your focus, you continue to go forward.

Best wishes for the future, it will all come back and you will be stronger because of it.

[Corinne]

France also has what I consider to be stupid rules about driving. It's all part of the increasingly suffocating European nannying based on the lowest common denominator (ie the brainless driver). It can only get worse as each EU member state imposes its rules on the rest and cash hungry over-spending governments milk drivers for as much as they can. The hysteria concerning CO2 emissions gives government the perfect opportunity to extract the maximum amount of taxes and fines. George Orwell's 1984 is well and truly on course in Europe and I envy the freedom the Americans still have.