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      06-10-2018, 01:43 PM   #23
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That is definitely a big part of the decision for me for sure. I wouldn't be lying if I said I'd really like to get a full warranty for the kind of $$ being spent especially with what I've heard happens if a 911 needs work or maintenance.

Got a call from the dealership today, they wanted to make a deal on a M2 with my 128i as a trade in. No official pricing on the M2C here in Canuckland yet though :|
Cunuckland has more than just pricing. I already have my VIN ..
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Just dreaming/spitballing here. Getting to the point where I want to simplify certain aspects of my life and lets just say some asset unloading isn't impossible over the coming months. Might leave me with enough money to pick up a brand new M2 Competition or a gently used 991 Carrera 4S.




I know this is kind of a ridiculous comparison but give me your thoughts. Looking to spice up my car life with the right new DD.
I've owned a 991.1 4S, 991.1 GTS, and 17 M2 manual.

I did enjoy my time with the M2. It makes a decent daily driver. I enjoyed running it through the gears. The M2 only lasted 2 months lol. Its just not a special car like a 911.

But the 911 is on a entirely different level. In every single category.

Is there a particular reason you want the 4S? The extra wide hips are sexy, and I loved the planted feeling of the front end. Mine has SPASM as well. The car was so well planted, it was really amazing.

The GTS was a blast to drive as well. But the front end feels a lot lighter than the 4S.

My advice would be to seek out a low mileage S. The 4S is more rare, and costs quite a bit more than a S. Do not get a base 991. The S includes more HP, PASM, and easier to find with the sport exhaust.

Go spend some time on rennlst. Plus the PCA has a ton of local drives, I really miss the porsche community.

I went 15 M3 (only lasted 6 months) to a 991.1 4S to a 991.1 GTS to M2,

I decided I wanted a dedicated sports car, pulled the trigger on a 14 R8. I prefer it over any M car and the 911's. But that's another thread.

So go find a nice low mileage 991.1 S. Add an aftermarket warranty. The driving experience is second to none, and the NA motor is awesome. While the PDK is good, manual all day every day.

Good luck.
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I've owned a 991.1 4S, 991.1 GTS, and 17 M2 manual.

I did enjoy my time with the M2. It makes a decent daily driver. I enjoyed running it through the gears. The M2 only lasted 2 months lol. Its just not a special car like a 911.

But the 911 is on a entirely different level. In every single category.

Is there a particular reason you want the 4S? The extra wide hips are sexy, and I loved the planted feeling of the front end. Mine has SPASM as well. The car was so well planted, it was really amazing.

The GTS was a blast to drive as well. But the front end feels a lot lighter than the 4S.

My advice would be to seek out a low mileage S. The 4S is more rare, and costs quite a bit more than a S. Do not get a base 991. The S includes more HP, PASM, and easier to find with the sport exhaust.

Go spend some time on rennlst. Plus the PCA has a ton of local drives, I really miss the porsche community.

I went 15 M3 (only lasted 6 months) to a 991.1 4S to a 991.1 GTS to M2,

I decided I wanted a dedicated sports car, pulled the trigger on a 14 R8. I prefer it over any M car and the 911's. But that's another thread.

So go find a nice low mileage 991.1 S. Add an aftermarket warranty. The driving experience is second to none, and the NA motor is awesome. While the PDK is good, manual all day every day.

Good luck.

Thanks for the response, really appreciated the perspective. Trust me, I won't get the base if I got a 911. Yes I'm starting to think 911 is the "special" car I seek but I definitely need to get some seat time to confirm. I had some seat time in the M2 OG and was a bit underwhelmed at overall experience relative to overall experience with a Z4M (no offense M2 owners) but then again I didn't get to push it and was distracted by the sport exhaust that I did not like. Love the S55 engine and am hoping that plus a few of the other tweaks BMW has mentioned will dial up the excitement a bit.



Right now what is happening car wise is I am spoiled when I get to drive my Z4 MR and when I get behind the wheel of the 128i for rainy weather or larger trunk or backseat requiring journey's I am a bit bored. Was thinking of replacing it for an M2C but that's a big scratch to solve a small itch. Thought about dropping 3 stage manifold in and BPC tune to match just to see if it spices things up a bit but also $$ that could be spent on a new car (though far less than an M2C or 991!!). But I can feel the chassis is not in the same league as faster more sorted cars and given its age probably needs a refresh.


Yes I have an itch I want to scratch. As crazy as it sounds I was thinking of a 4S because I might want to drive it throughout the winter on the not so stormy days and wanted power to the four wheels. That way I will miss the Z4 MR less during the winter while the former is in storage or on rainy days when I leave the Z4 MR at home. I know, total bonkers to drive the 911 in the winter and store the Z4 M. There aren't many AWD, manual, relatively low weight cars that are as exciting a package as a 911 (certainly no BMWs) that I can think of personally so since I already have plenty of RWD cars I thought I'd add a good AWD. Which is why I'd consider keeping the 128i for cargo/home depot or people hauling duty. Which is absurd really because back to my original problem if I get into it I'll miss the more performing cars. But keeping total number of cars to #2 is desirable also for practical and financial reasons. And right now none of my friends pity me having to make a tough decision in the morning on which BMW I want to drive to work.

First world problems for sure



P.S. also I can't sleep right now. Waiting 2 months to get a sleep study conducted and results sent to my doctor. So I have lots of time to sit up awake and read Bimmerpost and Rennlist and dream of Miami Blue IN Miami (and the keys!). Thanks for the photos of your cars, they look great!
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Why is this even a question? Are you trolling us?

Porsche>BMW

Every. Single. Time.

Only a biased BMW fanboy would say otherwise. The moment I can afford a new 911 GTS, the M2 will be gone. Easy decision.
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Porsche but only if it was a C2S. Car doesnt have enough power to need AWD.
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Why is this even a question? Are you trolling us?

Porsche>BMW

Every. Single. Time.

Only a biased BMW fanboy would say otherwise. The moment I can afford a new 911 GTS, the M2 will be gone. Easy decision.
No I'm not trolling anyone I just recently started looking into 911's and am learning a lot about them.

For me its not a straight comparison as there's fixed budget, practicality considerations, winter driving and whether to keep my 128i or not for four passenger travel (would need to with the 911, not so with the M2C). Not keen on maintaining three older cars without warranty ('06 Z4 MR, '08 128i and what would likely be a 991.1 with 50k miles or so.

Of course if I could afford a new 911 with warranty it becomes an easier choice I'm sold on it being the better driver's car now. Gonna try and rent one in the coming weeks to validate that view.
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Porsche but only if it was a C2S. Car doesnt have enough power to need AWD.
Crazy as it sounds I was thinking of taking the 911 out in the winter when it isn't too stormy and was thinking AWD just makes sense. Also will have two RWD cars and I can't think of many AWD sports cars with a manual that come close in the price range so it seems like the right opportunity. But will give it some thought.
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I have not driven many Porsche but everyone says they are awsome and looking at the value they keep, they clearly have something special..

One comment I can say is we drove 3 hours going and 3 hours coming back from Mont-Tremblant in my M235i 3 guys, 3 bags, 3 helmets, misc stuff + a 12x12 foldable tent and we were surprisIngly very confortable. Of course the M2 would be stiffer but same interior space. I'm 6' and rode in the back no problem.

Many situations when we were going out (me my girlfriend and 1 or 2 of her friends) and I wanted to take the ''special'' car and it was a none issue. Wich would of been a headache with a Z4 35i or Boxter/Cayman. I have not tried the P-cars back seat but they seem like a bigger compromise between function (think 2-series) and we can make it work If we absolutly need to (911).

M4 is huge because M3 chassis..
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One comment I can say is we drove 3 hours going and 3 hours coming back from Mont-Tremblant in my M235i 3 guys, 3 bags, 3 helmets, misc stuff + a 12x12 foldable tent and we were surprisIngly very confortable. Of course the M2 would be stiffer but same interior space. I'm 6' and rode in the back no problem.
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I have not tried the P-cars back seat but they seem like a bigger compromise between function (think 2-series) and we can make it work If we absolutly need to (911).
Is the 911 a better sporting machine than an M2? Unquestionably. The real questions is, is it TWICE as good? I priced a 911 T with desired options and it was literally double the cost of my M2. And then there's the maintenance costs.

Costs aside, there's the back seat question (if it matters) - the 911 is realistically a two [usable] seat car, whereas the M2 has a back seat usable by adults, tho I'm surprised you could fit in the back at 6' tall - I'm 5'9" and my head was < 1 inch from touching the glass of the rear window.
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I know you said manual but the RS3 ticks all the other boxes and makes a great winter car.

That said, I went for the M2 because the Audi only comes with automatic. The Audi also lacks that "special car" factor, it is just a souped up A3. But it's incredible fun to drive, comfortable, nice interior, and sounds even better than M2 with M Performance exhaust.
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One comment I can say is we drove 3 hours going and 3 hours coming back from Mont-Tremblant in my M235i 3 guys, 3 bags, 3 helmets, misc stuff + a 12x12 foldable tent and we were surprisIngly very confortable. Of course the M2 would be stiffer but same interior space. I'm 6' and rode in the back no problem.
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I have not tried the P-cars back seat but they seem like a bigger compromise between function (think 2-series) and we can make it work If we absolutly need to (911).
Is the 911 a better sporting machine than an M2? Unquestionably. The real questions is, is it TWICE as good? I priced a 911 T with desired options and it was literally double the cost of my M2. And then there's the maintenance costs.

Costs aside, there's the back seat question (if it matters) - the 911 is realistically a two [usable] seat car, whereas the M2 has a back seat usable by adults, tho I'm surprised you could fit in the back at 6' tall - I'm 5'9" and my head was < 1 inch from touching the glass of the rear window.
Not worth twice the price. I would have to buy fairly used as was pointed out by someone earlier in the thread. These the major considerations for me:

1) Still need a practical car with storage and reasonable back seating so can't replace the 128i with a 911. Not selling the Z4M Roadster. Too good a BMW vert and too much of my favourite parts of BMW history.

2) Don't especially want to go to three cars, especially with all being older and out of warranty. And it turns out you can't drive more than one at a time

3) Wish the 128i performed better and while I love it am at times bored except when all I want to do is semi-relax on a trio

4) But Porsche...


So still toying with replacing the 128i with M2. Or tuning the 128i with DISA 3stage + BPC (still needs chassis mods though). Or keeping 128i and adding Carrera 4S.

Think right now the perfect stable for me would be Z4M R, E9x 335i N55 x-drive for practical daily and Carrera 4S for inbetween. First world problems.

I see M2C as a practical, warrantied compromise to consolidating 911/daily driver car into one and sticking to a two car solution/stable.
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I had a 997.2 and now have an M2 and while I will agree the Porsche is a better drivers car in many ways, its not as significant as some make it sound on here. I have driven a few 991s and an M4 as well.

I looked at it like this, I started with a budget of $50k and looked at what I could buy, this meant a 7 year old 911 with 50k+ miles, or a practically brand new M2. The first time I decided on the 911 to 'scratch the itch'. Being used it wasn't in perfect shape and I had a few minor repair bills, and after a year I just didn't really enjoy owning an 8 year old car that was worth $50k, I'd rather have the $50k. I went a year without a fun car and the dilemma came up again and this time I chose the M2.

While the M2 is not a 911, it has more HP and tq than my 911 (365 vs 345hp and 343 vs 287lb/ft), the M2 is easier to drive the manual in traffic, the M2 tq is more usable on a daily basis than the higher revving na 911, the M2 infotainment is light years ahead of the older 911, the 911 backseats are only for people under 5ft tall, the M2 backseat can fit adults if need be, the M2 is just a bit more practical, and the N55 M2 actually sounds better than the 997.2 flat 6. Not to mention, the M2 is under full warranty for a few years and the 911 was out of warranty.

So if you are looking at a $60k new M2c vs a $60k 991 (likely to be low optioned, 5 years old with 40k miles), my vote is M2 all day.

However, if you are comparing a $60k M2c vs an $80k 991 that has a $130k original MSRP (likely 3-4 years old and about 20k miles and well optioned), and the extra $20k isn't a big deal to you, and you can live with the smaller backseat, by all means get the 991, they are great cars!


...or... Keep your current setup. By driving the 128 daily, it makes the Z4 seem more special. If your daily is an M2 or 991, your Z4 wont feel as special. Ask me how I know.
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911 T

if I could have any new 911 it would be a Carrera T. I almost decided to stretch for one instead of my '18 M2 but being able to retire when I am still upright was a factor.

I think this lightweight Carrera T will hold it's value extremely well over 5-10 yrs. I would have tried to order one without a sunroof and with the rear seat delete. 7 speed manual of course.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...t-drive-review

But i'm still EXTREMELY HAPPY with my M2 at 1/2 the cost of the T.
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styling = I know it's personal preferences but I much prefer the aggressive design of BMW over Porsche anything under GT4 trim. P cars are too round for my taste, although the 991.2 cars are starting to grow on me a lot.
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Porsche for sure.

I didn't really get the hype until I bought one, and honestly I thought I'd be underwhelmed after driving around modded BMWs, but they are so great out of the box. They aren't all out FAST, but they do everything well—I was really impressed by my 997's amazing balance—and I think they're a very "sum of the parts" kind of car. The 991 will be even better for everything you're looking for, especially if you do decide its the car that'll take the brunt of daily duties.

The M2 on paper is a bargain and it's a great car in its own right. To be honest, I'd like to entertain one as a daily in a couple years, but I'm a proponent of trying something different, and a 4S is a great car to go into after BMW ownership. I appreciate the challenge of getting to know an all-new platform and driving it with confidence, but I do still have a couple BMWs in the garage since I am still a BMW fan boy at heart.
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It really depends on what you consider fun when you drive - both are much different beasts.

I had a 2015 Carerra S with lots of mods which is now sold. It is a WAY better car / faster / faster laptimes etc....but it's only more fun if that is what you enjoy or call fun.

For me when I drive the M2 it's 1000x more fun to clutch kick it in 3rd coming into an S bend and slide it full lock around like an old S13. Round-abouts clutch kicking in 2nd are a riot billowing smoke with a short wheelbase. Drift days are a blast in it since the rear diff locks up really well + the short wheelbase is a riot on transitions and changes direction sideways crazy fast if you're doing tandems.

This is something a P car can never do - so if you are into partying sideways go M2 - if your enjoyment comes from precision fast lap times with no drama go P car. The only thing I personally found fun in that car was coming in hot on corners, turning in while trail braking and letting it do some gnarly corner entries at half lock with the rear engine, the rest of the time it was fairly mundane since it did everything so well.

The only thing I miss over the M2 is the driving position (buckets going in to fix this), steering precision, and shifter.

I can't help you with the value portion as that is really up to you and what you prefer.

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It really depends on what you consider fun when you drive - both are much different beasts.

I had a 2015 Carerra S with lots of mods which is now sold. It is a WAY better car / faster / faster laptimes etc....but it's only more fun if that is what you enjoy or call fun.

For me when I drive the M2 it's 1000x more fun to clutch kick it in 3rd coming into an S bend and slide it full lock around like an old S13. Round-abouts clutch kicking in 2nd are a riot billowing smoke with a short wheelbase. Drift days are a blast in it since the rear diff locks up really well + the short wheelbase is a riot on transitions and changes direction sideways crazy fast if you're doing tandems.

This is something a P car can never do - so if you are into partying sideways go M2 - if your enjoyment comes from precision fast lap times with no drama go P car. The only thing I personally found fun in that car was coming in hot on corners, turning in while trail braking and letting it do some gnarly corner entries at half lock with the rear engine, the rest of the time it was fairly mundane since it did everything so well.

The only thing I miss over the M2 is the driving position (buckets going in to fix this), steering precision, and shifter.

I can't help you with the value portion as that is really up to you and what you prefer.
Thanks to your post, I just learned what clutch kicking is. I had no idea. I don't party as hard as some of you!
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I recently sold a 991 C4S and purchased a new !8 M2. The C4S was the best sports car I've ever owned but I wanted to try something RWD again and have enough room to pick up my growing children from school or practice. I'm really loving the experience. The M2 is much more playful than the C4S to drive around town and back roads. I can carry similar speeds on some great nearby back roads but feel like I'm working harder with the M2 than with the 911. The C4S was so composed at street legal speeds that it was almost boring unless you tracked it or drove like a maniac. It certainly felt more special and handled more tightly but lacked the playfulness I'm really enjoying in the M. I'm sure I'll find another 911 in the future but may have to go back a couple of generations for the same fun factor. The 991 was a better sports car but the M2 better fits my needs at present and is a ton of fun on the road. As they say variety is the spice of life.
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