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Disappointing considering how much power it has and how supposedly it's a track focused car. Lol
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08-12-2020, 11:41 AM | #24 | |
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I'm not sure if the M2 is that great at "getting out of the hole", torque seems modest in these cars. Both C and CS. |
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08-12-2020, 11:43 AM | #25 |
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Wonder what BMW's time would have been
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08-12-2020, 11:46 AM | #27 |
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Help me out here, from what I heard and from media, especially Jeremy Clarkson's review of the m4 gts was not positive. But it's still the fastest BMW here... Anyone can explain why the car was so 'hated' or disliked by the community?
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08-12-2020, 11:48 AM | #28 |
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Not really surprised at the time. You knew the M2 CS would be slower than the M3/M4 CS and of course the M4 GTS as those cars have more horsepower and torque than the M2 CS. We need to commence this allocation process already. The bulletin for model year 2021 came out already.
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08-12-2020, 11:51 AM | #29 |
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08-12-2020, 11:55 AM | #30 |
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I'm impressed with M3 E46 CSL and M4 GTS still holding on.
Still fastest BMW on the ring.
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08-12-2020, 12:11 PM | #31 |
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08-12-2020, 12:17 PM | #32 |
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Iirc the m4 gts was very poorly setup on its original outings with the media. Once it was dialed in it performed significantly better, but never returned to the track in the hands of media for lap times.
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It came down mostly to price. You could get a 911 for that kind of money.
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08-12-2020, 01:15 PM | #39 | |
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"I turn the wipers from frisky to frantic, transfer control of the DCT to the paddles and narrow my focus on the crimson flare of brake lights ahead barely penetrating the spray but almost semaphore active. The ease with which the M2 is keeping up - indeed, is all over - the car in front, without asking much from me, is a surprise. I'll reveal what those flashing tail lights belong to in a moment, but the first intriguing insight of the day is starting to form. "A perfect illustration of how big a difference it can make driving a car on domestic roads in Blighty weather is made by the BMW M4 GTS. As you'll see in the final scores, this is a car that widely split opinion. Many of us hadn't driven the car before, but Henry and Dan had both experienced it on smooth and fast Iberian roads that were baked crisp by hot sun. Both came back in love with the car. My first drive in the GTS was along a wet, undulating, twisty, crusty and very challenging B-road. Turning off the traction control would have resulted in disaster and a terribly embarrassing phone call to BMW. The car, so magnificent on dry, smooth roads, was a liability or these ones."M4 GTS and TopGear: "And in the wet?
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...or let's see a stock M2 CS on already outdated Michelin PSS. Even if we assume Cup 2s are only ~1sec quicker on a 2-mile course (which is a conservative number) compared to PSS, it still would mean M2CS would be 6-7sec slower on PSS around Nordschleife.
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08-12-2020, 01:34 PM | #42 | |
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The M2 CS is also slower than the old 981 GT4 from 2016, which also had a manual, and with Sport Auto ran 7:42. Overall, good time, but not really great considering what the now 5 year old GT4 did and how much faster the manual 718 GT4 can do. Or, a more special car than the M2CS or a regular 911, in the 718 GT4. |
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You're right.
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Except that if you really compare on price, the 981 GT4 used is about what the CS costs in the states, and the 718 is a good 30k more by the time you actually make it to the dotted line. So as of "today" the performance per dollar is the same then by this measure. You can't buy any 911 but used for anywhere near CS money.
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