[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Stage IV

Sorry, you said either GTS or CSL. I rushed through your response and read "no CSL". This thread is pretty active I'd say.

yeah.. but he keeps saying no M2 CSL 6MT..

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by nachob

It already went up by that much from the 1M to regular M2 now another 55k plus call it competition. It's crazy.

Over here the 1M and M2 (6MT) are both quoted the same weight: 1495kg (compare here and here).

[silverado]

Originally Posted by advantage20

Nice catch
Also to be expected then on future models such as the upcoming M5 Competition.

Credit where credit is due, it was discovered by Benzima:

Originally Posted by Benzima

Is it me or it seems it got a new badge "M2 competition"?

But, but... can an official Competition version command a premium of just $1600?!!

[nachob]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Over here the 1M and M2 (6MT) are both quoted the same weight: 1495kg (compare here and here).

Over there you could order M2 without power seats. I know, but over here they come with more stuff. You guys get all the good stuff!

[PackPride85]

My guess is that UK base price is the very base model. As in 6 spd, regular brakes, regular seats, etc...

I still think a full loaded US model with DCT, track brakes, new seats, etc... will be low 60s.

I feel bad for the engineers though....its clear they really want to make this thing THE halo M car but BMW won't let them touch the M3/M4 status although this is pretty damn close. That's why I don't see the top M2 CSL model ever being green lit...it would stomp all over the M4 GTS.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by silverado

Credit where credit is due, it was discovered by Benzima:

But, but... can an official Competition version command a premium of just $1600?!!

Credit where credit's due ??

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1463315

Also read the Edit on the first post in the above thread.

[BishUK]

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

The current GTS spoiler design is too decisive ? Divisive? Derisive? Seriously.. I'm not catching your meaning here..

Went back and edited it, as it reads now, divisive = splitting opinion. Some like the GTS rear wing but some really do have high levels of ricer hate for it. If they sculpted something beautiful like the flowing rear wing of the vision concept then I'm sure it would actually "make" people buy the car as it's so unique looking.

[SW19]

These pictures finally show us what the actual M2 Competition looks like.The other leaked BMW pics were heavily photochopped.After looking at these pics the only improvement over the current M2 design is the M Mirrors.The front one piece kidney grilles don’t work with the design of the M2.The lower middle part of the front bumper is also to narrow,it makes the whole front bumper look to stretched out.I also don’t like the 3 open slats in that area.The rear is also worse because that huge exhaust can is hanging down below the diffuser.

They should have just kept the current M2 design and tweaked it like Bimmerpost did with this render.It looks way better IMO.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by BishUK

@Gatte Artemis
BMW need to put some hours in to the design and integrate it better with the sculpture of the rear of the car - pretty much exactly like the vision concept car. Make it happen BMW, please.

The vision concept is a little too wide and probably a little too unrealistic. A wing similar to the CSL concept could look really nice on the M2 along with a little more width like the M2 Racing cars.

I will pray with you.

Originally Posted by Artemis

Well, they could also consider settling for "M2 CS" if the "L" of "CSL" (= Leichtbau = lightweight construction) would be inappropriate.

I know there has been a lot of talk about the CS being the limited model including dealerships being told so. It could still happen but I don't think that the CS would really be considered the Halo car that BMW needs to make to establish the 2 series. Also, no CS cars have a wing so far and I really really think that there is an M2 somewhere with a wing mounted on it.

I would think it would probably be called the GTS/CSL/Racing or something. I really hope it'll be called the CSL along with the full on lightweight treatment.

Basically the Batmobile 2.

Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

. on to the CSL/GTS banter thread...

It sure seems that the GTS moniker is dead based on the comments from Van meel and the intro of the CS.

I sincerely hope so, never liked them to begin with. In my opinion, the next generation could be a better iteration to bring back the CSL badge. Alternatively, they could also do it on both generations.

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Don't worry Gatte, he's an OK guy. However, despite the absolute truth that we are by no means affiliated to BMW or BMW M in any way whatsoever except for being BMW enthusiasts + current/potential customers, he is convinced that we are BMW bots.

Hey, he only said you're affiliated with BMW. Don't drag me into your problems.

[BishUK]

Originally Posted by Gatte

The vision concept is a little too wide and probably a little too unrealistic. A wing similar to the CSL concept could look really nice on the M2 along with a little more width like the M2 Racing cars.

I will pray with you.

Agreed, and if you are praying with us all then there's a little more hope!

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by Artemis

Over here the 1M and M2 (6MT) are both quoted the same weight: 1495kg (compare here and here).

# north American models are fatter ...

Yep... but over here.. one is heavier than the other...I think this has been proven with scales.. ?

[M3 Adjuster]

Originally Posted by PackPride85

My guess is that UK base price is the very base model. As in 6 spd, regular brakes, regular seats, etc...

I still think a full loaded US model with DCT, track brakes, new seats, etc... will be low 60s.

I feel bad for the engineers though....its clear they really want to make this thing THE halo M car but BMW won't let them touch the M3/M4 status although this is pretty damn close. That's why I don't see the top M2 CSL model ever being green lit...it would stomp all over the M4 GTS.

they just need to hit the EASY BUTTON and saddle it with a 6MT, so it will be slower on paper.. and then they call it a " HERITAGE EDITION model and invoke things like the E30 M3 Sport Evo and E46 M3 CSL blah blah

[silverado]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Credit where credit's due ??

https://f87.bimmerpost.com/forums/sh....php?t=1463315

Also read the Edit on the first post in the above thread.

Nice poll! Maybe the first post was edited based on Benzima's catch? It's just where I read it first and it wasn't my catch.

[WAY]

Finally someone else confirming what I’ve been saying all along that the carbon fibre strurt brace is standard. Also, I hinted on pricing in the past and not it’s official. 😊

[Gatte]

Originally Posted by WAY

Finally someone else confirming what I’ve been saying all along that the carbon fibre strurt brace is standard. Also, I hinted on pricing in the past and not it’s official. 😊

You did mention about the pricing being lower in some markets.

Makes us wonder, M3 Adjuster might add you to his list.

[BishUK]

What do people think about the badge? Will we finally be able to purchase an OEM Black M2 badge for our pre and LCI M2s or does the badge on the new Competition model have the word "competition" integrated in to the design? Ie. M2 and Competition are not separate and cannot be separated.

[frenchfry675]

Originally Posted by Tag

You won't be able to since the iPhone images will be too large and exceed the file attachment limits of the forum. You can however use a free service such as

View post on imgur.com

to upload the pics and then share here.

P.S. It's urgent you upload them right away before a full on forum brawl starts. k, thx

You can email the pictures from your iphone to yourself and it gives you size options just select medium size.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Hey, he only said you're affiliated with BMW. Don't drag me into your problems.

Courteously using the pluralis modestiae.

[Spa2k]

Originally Posted by seis-speed

The lightweight version might hold values more than originally thought

Brilliant - I own an M2 Lightweight!

[RedCarrot]

Originally Posted by Guydj1

Seriously in the long run I don't think the current M2 will suffer in holding its value, in the short term yes!!but don't be surprised 10yrs from now the current M2 is not well sort after. The new M2 competition wiil obviously perform better but I'm sure in the real world on a twisty road 2 good drivers how big a gap will it be??

I know BMW like to spout on about 50/50 weight distribution somehow I don't see the additional weight from the engine will deliver on that point

The current M2 is already tilting the balance scale at 52/48. Adding another 121 lbs to the front will make it just about 54/46. BMW has gone down this mo-power-mo-weight path before to appeal to the mass that cares more about straight line acceleration bragging right, engine code designation, mirror cap pigtail and hood bump than the actual driving experience itself. That path led to successive M cars that enthusiasts universally agree have departed from their M root, until 1M and M2 came along.

If BMW really wanted me to be bitter about owning a current M2, they should have done these instead:
-B58 at a higher state of tune to 385-400hp
-Upgraded FMIC to support the hp bump
-Use aluminum hood, trunk and roof (I don't even need the fancy CF roof)
-Upgraded fueling would be nice to have

We would then have a 30-40 lbs LIGHTER and undisputedly better M2 rather than this new F82 M2. I would not be trading up either way as there are other impressive cars on the near horizon (GT4 and C8 just to name couple). But I genuinely want the M2C to be as best as it can be.

[bm4w]

Originally Posted by Gatte

Where are those guys who kept saying that the S55 is 10 Grand more than the N55.

Where you at ????

Found em



I think it got pushed around so much because they truly did not want to believe that a car they just bought would get outdated and overpriced so quickly...