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      04-21-2019, 07:02 PM   #111
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The M2CS is also not going to be competitive against the new GT4. My guess is that it will keep up with the last gen gt4. Comparing 2 seat racecar with high performance DD. We really shouldn't expect the M2CS to run with the gt4.
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      04-21-2019, 07:28 PM   #112
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How much do you expect the M2 CS base price to be? Around $80K to be worthwhile? It has to be less than GT4 base price which may be around $90K. M2 CS base price has to be $90K or less, cannot be $95 - $100K.
I think that it is difficult to know unless we find out what options it will have and even then it is just a guess.
As good as all options of the M2 Competition also feature on the M2 CS options list. No sunroof though, in case you wondered (guess why ).

But maybe you refer to what you get / don't get as standard features for the M2 CS base price, i.e. if you don't tick any box on the options list.

Closest competitor of the M2 CS will be the M4 ZCP, rather than the 718 GT4.

And Porsche ? Let's face it, they are the best in business, with the highest profit per car for a reason since many years. Porsche perfected the art of sobriety of base features, combined with lavish options lists that make customers dig deeper into their wallets.
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      04-21-2019, 08:56 PM   #113
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I doubt that the CS will be heavier than the M2C. How much weight it will shed is a big question. I'm with you on the 718 GT4. It should be amazing but that comes with 2 less seats and a much higher price tag also.
How much do you expect the M2 CS base price to be? Around $80K to be worthwhile? It has to be less than GT4 base price which may be around $90K. M2 CS base price has to be $90K or less, cannot be $95 - $100K.
No chance the P car actually sells for that price even if that's MSRP.
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My ideal formula for the next M2:

400hp
3250 lbs with all fluids (no driver)
6MT
No sunroof as an option
50/50 weight distribution
Same dimensions as current F87

I'll be happy with
420hp
<3400 lbs with all fluids (no driver)
6MT
No sunroof
51/49 weight distribution
Same dimensions as F87

What I expect
420hp
>3600lbs
6MT
No sunroof option
52/48 weight distribution
Size somewhere between F87 and F80/F82
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      04-22-2019, 09:40 AM   #115
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The size (length) and weight of the next M2 worries me as well.
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      04-22-2019, 10:36 AM   #116
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The size (length) and weight of the next M2 worries me as well.
Check what's happening in M3 land. Fasten your seatbelt...
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Based on F30/F80 dimension ratio and deriving from G20 dimension, the approximate dimension on G80 should be as follow. It's definitely not expanding as fast as the universe!
Since there is a bigger jump on the front track between F30 and G20, G80 front track showed a bit wider than rear track (ratio calculation). If we use G20 track width reference, G80 rear track should be a bit wider than front similar to F80.
With the approximate 74.5" of width from G80, it's approaching Nissan GTR territory.

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It makes sense to me what they are doing. I think most people want a quick comfortable car as they mature (want more refinement, need room for family), but still haven't let go of believing they still need a track focused car.

M3 and M4 become affordable luxury GT, but not quite as soft and refined as the 8 series. Leaving the 8 series for deeper pockets.

The enthusiast that still chooses function over form gets the 2 series lineup. Smaller footprint, more nimble/fun, but fewer creature comforts.

I drive a 2 seat GT. I've never used the cruise control, and think it feels too big. My interior is ultra bueno. However, I still plan to "downgrade" to the CS because I believe it will bring more enjoyment.

Fun factor trumps the need for a high end interior because you don't care while having fun.

The next gen M2GC will be the M3 of old.

The confusion lies in the identity crisis within the current position of transition.
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      08-04-2019, 10:26 PM   #118
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Is it true that the next generation M2 will be built in Mexico?

If so, where have you seen this stated? From BMW?

Lastly, what are your thoughts on this?

No more ED for M2
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      08-04-2019, 11:10 PM   #119
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Will this move entail changing the name BMW to MMW?
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      08-05-2019, 01:18 AM   #121
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Will this move entail changing the name BMW to MMW?
What kind of idiocy is that? Should the name change if your car was manufactured in the South Africa, Spartanburg, or China factories?
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It's true, and I heard you would be able to pick up M Performance parts at Taco Bell..

J/k

Although if prefer my M2 to be produced in Leipzig for sentimental reasons, I'm sure much in terms of overall quality won't change; as it's a regional assembly change of venue to reduce overhead cost and tariffs.

And if it keeps the price around 60k for a fully- equipped G series M2, which is within the realm of affordability for me, I could live with the lack of bragging rights.
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Will this move entail changing the name BMW to MMW?
What kind of idiocy is that? Should the name change if your car was manufactured in the South Africa, Spartanburg, or China factories?
these are the jokes. come for the drinks, stay for the laughs.
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M car should always come from the fatherland. It needs a made in Germany stamp for emotional and sentimental reasons, and that alone is worth for M car owner.
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      08-05-2019, 08:05 PM   #128
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these are the jokes. come for the drinks, stay for the laughs.
Exactly Sir, just having a bit of fun is all!
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      08-06-2019, 03:28 AM   #129
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I'm sure much in terms of overall quality won't change
I wouldn't count on it. The quality went down for the VWs produced there and recently Mazda.
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What kind of idiocy is that? Should the name change if your car was manufactured in the South Africa, Spartanburg, or China factories?
I think he was joking. A pretty funny one at that.
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If BMW can manage to transfer expertise and cultivate a culture of pride in production then I don't have a problem with production in Mexico. Of course that is a big IF.

On the other hand, who here wants a car that was built in Munich during Oktoberfest
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