[MinionM3]

Originally Posted by F82PRETEND

Yea, I was just about to post that. Apparently, they will update the list every 2 weeks. Could be very dicey and touch and go. For me, it's ED or bust, as I'll likely walk if I can't do the trip and focus on a Porsche ED next year. Really hope it doesn't come to that, because I'm getting really into planning this trip. It's something to look forward to and right now that is needed!

I'm in your same boat / it's ED or no go for me. I'm doing this for the experience, not necessarily the car. :-(

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by MinionM3

I'm in your same boat / it's ED or no go for me. I'm doing this for the experience, not necessarily the car. :-(

I hate the way it comes off sometimes, but that's exactly it. The car is great...but it's really the journey. The M2C is not appreciably different/better enough on its own to justify just getting rid of my M4. If it comes to that and my dealer balks at the refundable $2000 deposit, I'll just say okay put it toward an extended warranty or some tires and we'll figure something out on that end. Getting the money back from Lufthansa and Germans at BMW Driving schools...well, that's another fight. Hopefully, I'm gleefully cursing through Europe in about 100 days and it's no big deal.

[JCZ5]

Originally Posted by F82PRETEND

I hate the way it comes off sometimes, but that's exactly it. The car is great...but it's really the journey. The M2C is not appreciably different/better enough on its own to justify just getting rid of my M4. If it comes to that and my dealer balks at the refundable $2000 deposit, I'll just say okay put it toward an extended warranty or some tires and we'll figure something out on that end. Getting the money back from Lufthansa and Germans at BMW Driving schools...well, that's another fight. Hopefully, I'm gleefully cursing through Europe in about 100 days and it's no big deal.

Hey, I have reiterated to BMWNA previously that the delivery experience made me a repeat customer. Even though I am not doing ED, I am hoping to do PCD. Without PCD, it's just not the same.

[akkando]

according to the news today looks like all of EU is going to have America on the ban list. Not looking good for ED.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/w...imes&smtyp=cur

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by akkando

according to the news today looks like all of EU is going to have America on the ban list. Not looking good for ED.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/23/w...&smtyp=cur

Yea, that was as of yesterday. I think they release first official list next week.

[marshall834]

Wow that is so discouraging. I was actually thinking of this last night - "What if, Marshall, because Americans need to go to bars and like their freedom from masks, the EU just doesn't let us in?"

Welp. My late night mind meanderings seems to have a likely outcome.

Originally I was also thinking I'd cancel the order. However, I've gotten way excited for this and it would be a huge step up from my 228. PCD could be a decent, but admittedly less fun, consoldation prize.

[Buchloe_Burkard]

Just heard from Raven. In case I need to postpone, BMW AG will store the already produced 2020 car and hold on to it until I am able to pick it up at the Welt (Aug or Sep).

Meanwhile, Lufthansa has yanked off all its JFK/EWR to MUC direct flights through Sep ME from its website, offering instead non-direct routes via Brussels. Most EU flag carriers are focusing primarily on flights within EU this summer, reducing their projected schedules to US cities to a minimum, and cancelling some routes altogether.

[mercury26]

Originally Posted by Buchloe_Burkard

Just heard from Raven. In case I need to postpone, BMW AG will store the already produced 2020 car and hold on to it until I am able to pick it up at the Welt (Aug or Sep).

Meanwhile, Lufthansa has yanked off all its JFK/EWR to MUC direct flights through Sep ME from its website, offering instead non-direct routes via Brussels. Most EU flag carriers are focusing primarily on flights within EU this summer, reducing their projected schedules to US cities to a minimum, and cancelling some routes altogether.

Interesting. I booked a United flight from Denver direct to Munich in September. I booked it through United, but it is a Lufthansa flight. I have not received any notification that it was changed or cancelled, but will keep a close eye. We are in a very tenuous situation here.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by Buchloe_Burkard

Just heard from Raven. In case I need to postpone, BMW AG will store the already produced 2020 car and hold on to it until I am able to pick it up at the Welt (Aug or Sep).

Meanwhile, Lufthansa has yanked off all its JFK/EWR to MUC direct flights through Sep ME from its website, offering instead non-direct routes via Brussels. Most EU flag carriers are focusing primarily on flights within EU this summer, reducing their projected schedules to US cities to a minimum, and cancelling some routes altogether.

Originally Posted by mercury26

Interesting. I booked a United flight from Denver direct to Munich in September. I booked it through United, but it is a Lufthansa flight. I have not received any notification that it was changed or cancelled, but will keep a close eye. We are in a very tenuous situation here.

Interesting...I booked RT LH nonstop flights from LAX...the outbound on Thursday, September 24 is no longer available, though the 23rd and 25th are. Expert flyer shows almost wide open availability for most of the surrounding week, save for Sunday...so I am wondering if they've cancelled Sunday and Thursday flights. I may have to call them and find out what they are going to do with me if this is the case. If so, I may cancel, take the refund and do something with miles on AA as those are fully cancelable with free reinstatement of miles right now.

[marshall834]

Originally Posted by F82PRETEND

Interesting...I booked RT LH nonstop flights from LAX...the outbound on Thursday, September 24 is no longer available, though the 23rd and 25th are. Expert flyer shows almost wide open availability for most of the surrounding week, save for Sunday...so I am wondering if they've cancelled Sunday and Thursday flights. I may have to call them and find out what they are going to do with me if this is the case. If so, I may cancel, take the refund and do something with miles on AA as those are fully cancelable with free reinstatement of miles right now.

I booked through Delta with miles (similar promise for refunds) and haven't heard anything. But it's Minneapolis to Atlanta, then Munich.

It sounds almost like a forgone conclusion that the US won't be on the July 1st list. Even if the list if reviewed every two weeks, we're looking at a dead minimum of July 15th and considering we are currently 5x the average infection rate when compared to EU, I don't see how we can reduce our rate that quickly. I'm considering my mid-August trip high risk now when I originally thought it would be enough time.

[MinionM3]

Originally Posted by marshall834

I booked through Delta with miles (similar promise for refunds) and haven't heard anything. But it's Minneapolis to Atlanta, then Munich.

It sounds almost like a forgone conclusion that the US won't be on the July 1st list. Even if the list if reviewed every two weeks, we're looking at a dead minimum of July 15th and considering we are currently 5x the average infection rate when compared to EU, I don't see how we can reduce our rate that quickly. I'm considering my mid-August trip high risk now when I originally thought it would be enough time.

I'm holding out - my delivery is scheduled for 9/9.... maybe Americans will be allowed back in as of 9/1? :

I'll be really bummed if this all falls through and we all miss our chance at the last round of Euro Deliveries...

[mercury26]

Originally Posted by MinionM3

I'm holding out - my delivery is scheduled for 9/9.... maybe Americans will be allowed back in as of 9/1? :

I'll be really bummed if this all falls through and we all miss our chance at the last round of Euro Deliveries...

I am with you brother! My delivery date is two days before you, we will be in Munich on the 8th. If we make it to Munich, it would be great to meet up (if you are there on the 8th).

[arciga18]

If there is a ban in place, Will bmw honor ED price and ship the cars?

This is a big hypothetical question but everyone needs a backup plan.

ED was on my bucket list since 2011 when I started buying cars.

Had Planned on taking my dad but that fell through obviously . Sigh 😔

In rooting for you all.

[MinionM3]

Originally Posted by mercury26

I am with you brother! My delivery date is two days before you, we will be in Munich on the 8th. If we make it to Munich, it would be great to meet up (if you are there on the 8th).

Yessir! I fly in on the 7th and the 8th is a free day for me to adjust and check out the town before delivery on the 9th.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by arciga18

If there is a ban in place, Will bmw honor ED price and ship the cars?

This is a big hypothetical question but everyone needs a backup plan.

ED was on my bucket list since 2011 when I started buying cars.

Had Planned on taking my dad but that fell through obviously . Sigh ��

In rooting for you all.

Even if they were to do that, we'd be better off walking. Can get the car for less as a US delivery or off-the-lot purchase. ED sticker is only $2945 less than US and I don't know anyone that got one for less than ED MSRP...maybe $500 or $1000. Instead, you can get about 10% off right now, which is closer to $6k. Additionally, if I were to consider that, one option I specced, the M Driver's pack, would have to be removed to save that $2500 as it's worthless to me without the autobahn for the 174 mph limiter.

[mercury26]

Originally Posted by F82PRETEND

Even if they were to do that, we'd be better off walking. Can get the car for less as a US delivery or off-the-lot purchase. ED sticker is only $2945 less than US and I don't know anyone that got one for less than ED MSRP...maybe $500 or $1000. Instead, you can get about 10% off right now, which is closer to $6k. Additionally, if I were to consider that, one option I specced, the M Driver's pack, would have to be removed to save that $2500 as it's worthless to me without the autobahn for the 174 mph limiter.

I am going through similar thought process, but with that being said I am going to take M2C regardless of what happens. The M2C is an end of era as a vehicle, manual transmission, great design (the new M3/M4 grill is terrible), manual parking brake, non-digital gauges....I can go on. It's a modern classic.

If I cannot do ED on this round, then a Cayenne is going to replace my Q7 in 18 months. I checked out the 911, but that won't work for a family trip around Europe.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by mercury26

I am going through similar thought process, but with that being said I am going to take M2C regardless of what happens. The M2C is an end of era as a vehicle, manual transmission, great design (the new M3/M4 grill is terrible), manual parking brake, non-digital gauges....I can go on. It's a modern classic.

If I cannot do ED on this round, then a Cayenne is going to replace my Q7 in 18 months. I checked out the 911, but that won't work for a family trip around Europe.

Understandable...btw I think the LCI+ M2/M2C have digital gauges, no? Or is that just in the exec pack?

[AUSf22]

I hope you all stay safe during the travel there! corona is not completely over and in some countries, resurfacing rapidly!

[mercury26]

Originally Posted by F82PRETEND

Understandable...btw I think the LCI+ M2/M2C have digital gauges, no? Or is that just in the exec pack?

Not digital, just a lot of back lighting. I test drove one and with the lights out, you can still see the gauges. A couple Pre-LCI and LCI comparisons show the difference on the gauges.

[Fugly M3]

Originally Posted by mercury26

Not digital, just a lot of back lighting. I test drove one and with the lights out, you can still see the gauges. A couple Pre-LCI and LCI comparisons show the difference on the gauges.

I didn't realize that...guess I didn't look that closely...that's great!

[dll2k20]

Originally Posted by Buchloe_Burkard

Croatia is definitely OK for ED trip as far as insurance goes. In fact, all EU member states (continental Europe) are fine + Norway, Switzerland and Liechtenstein. We were supposed to swing down to Istria during ED, but decided to cancel and focus on countries that flattened earlier in the pandemic.

Croatia is covered for ED trip insurance, but note that you cannot drive directly to the southern extreme of the country (including Dubrovnik) as that requires a short crossing through Bosnia and Herzegovina. A ferry is available to avoid this however.

[Buchloe_Burkard]

Indeed, until (if ever) they build the Peljesac bridge, ferry is the only way to avoid the Neum "riviera". At least F82PRETEND has a definite confirmation that ferry is covered under ED insurance.