[PaulSvk84]

Originally Posted by kdbryce

Idk man, I like it all. And I love the wheels! The whole front end is like five times better looking than the old one

I Like the front as well! I'm just not a fan of the wheels and rear of the car. I would add the 666m wheels or stick with the base 437's.. The wheels are not that big of an issue, you could always take delivery with them on and sell them.. As for the rear, the M performance spoiler helps a lot. Overall still a beautiful car...

[Slaney]

Originally Posted by Damage Inc

The new wheels take away from the chunky muscle bulldog stance look. The M2 looks more aggressive IMO with the concave wheels

This is the best description I've heard yet as to why those wheels look so good. I love the deep concave bowl look. I can't find any other wheels that have that type of look as an alternate for the Comp crappy wheels... Think I'm definitely going with the 437M on the new ride when it shows up.

[Slaney]

Originally Posted by PaulSvk84

I Like the front as well! I'm just not a fan of the wheels and rear of the car. I would add the 666m wheels or stick with the base 437's.. The wheels are not that big of an issue, you could always take delivery with them on and sell them.. As for the rear, the M performance spoiler helps a lot. Overall still a beautiful car...

Has anyone used the VORSTEINER F87 M2 CARBON TRUNK SPOILER 2X2? This looks so much better than the BMW version...

[Spydert]

Originally Posted by DrKevM5

I like your thinking

Hahahahaha.
Ditto!

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

According to his “butt dyno”. He has been living under a rock if he doesn’t know how potent the S55 is tune/modded. It is simply a beast of a motor. MHDtuning N55 stage 2 is rated at 400hp, S55 stage 1 at 530hp.

That link you have...the M2 not only has stage 2 turbos, but also port injection, stage 3 LPFP, intercooler, full exhaust, downpipe, E85 blend, charge pipe. All that and barely cracking 500whp. Those mods on a S55 is over 700whp.

Stage 3 LPFP -> $950
Stage 2 turbos -> $2,400-$2,850
Intercooler -> $600
Charpipe -> $300

Not even mentioning the downpipe and the exhaust since they are pretty standard upgrades but the upgrades above cost over $4K.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

According to his "butt dyno". He has been living under a rock if he doesn't know how potent the S55 is tune/modded. It is simply a beast of a motor. MHDtuning N55 stage 2 is rated at 400hp, S55 stage 1 at 530hp.

That link you have...the M2 not only has stage 2 turbos, but also port injection, stage 3 LPFP, intercooler, full exhaust, downpipe, E85 blend, charge pipe. All that and barely cracking 500whp. Those mods on a S55 is over 700whp.

Yes I have been living under a rock in the sense that I do not care. My stage 2 M2 is already reaching unusable levels of power with current tire and suspension setup so I truly and honestly dont know WTF you do with 530hp other than come on here and brag about how "capable" it is. So when I say butt dyno I mean just that. Effective at measuring input and turbo lag, power profile, etc. So absolutely to each their own enjoy your numbers. But for me if my plan was lots of modding I'd get an older M2 and use the money I saved for those mods.

[C5driver]

Nice post, OP.

Not sure if this was brought up, since I'm not going to read 9 pages worth of wheel comparisons, but here're some thoughts:

1. Since you track the car, can you out drive your M2 and how will the 44whp difference, 45nm tq, and marginal changes in suspension, brakes, cooling, vs weight of the M2C, translate to times?

2. Factor in depreciation, mods, and whatever ADM (if any) and you're talking significant performance improvements to your current M2.

3. The S55 was shoved into the M2C strictly because of emission standards and they had the motor readily available. The N55 is a pretty old motor, IIRC.

4. The seats still suck for a track car and in the end, it's ultimately a sports sedan and will never be confused with a sports car like the GT4 you drove

[termigni]

Originally Posted by M3_WC

According to his “butt dyno”. He has been living under a rock if he doesn’t know how potent the S55 is tune/modded. It is simply a beast of a motor. MHDtuning N55 stage 2 is rated at 400hp, S55 stage 1 at 530hp.

That link you have...the M2 not only has stage 2 turbos, but also port injection, stage 3 LPFP, intercooler, full exhaust, downpipe, E85 blend, charge pipe. All that and barely cracking 500whp. Those mods on a S55 is over 700whp.

Here we go. Fast and Furious talk. do you live quarter mile at a time by any chance? who really needs a 700whp in a BMW? unless you go to Starbucks every Thursday night and have to brag about it to some strange dude you have never seen before..

[M-Pilot]

Originally Posted by termigni

Here we go. Fast and Furious talk. do you live quarter mile at a time by any chance? who really needs a 700whp in a BMW? unless you go to Starbucks every Thursday night and have to brag about it to some strange dude you have never seen before..

It's not about tuning the crap out of the engine to make 700whp. He's basically pointing out to the potential and the capacity of the engine. I had my M4 Comp for little over 2 years and never once wanted more than the stock 430whp. I don't even want 500whp on my M2C. It's more about how easily you can achieve these numbers without putting too much stress on the engine or going through major internal upgrades. I'm not even sure sure if stock N55 can make 400whp on stock components but let's look at it this way: An open-deck engine running at 90-100% to make near 400whp vs a closed deck engine running at 60-70% to make the same power. I wouldn't want to be running my engine at the limit or even near the limit at all.

Everyone's expectation in terms of tuning is different. Some people want the absolute possible max output while others want moderate increases. 440-450whp is the sweet spot for me and M2C can easily get there with simple 10min flash. Even if I acquire an OG M2 with big fat discount, it'll still cost me significant amount of money to bring it to those levels.

That being said, I think OG M2 is a great car if you are not planning to do any engine tuning or mods. Otherwise, S55 is a better platform to serve those needs.

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by cntzl

Stage 3 LPFP -> $950
Stage 2 turbos -> $2,400-$2,850
Intercooler -> $600
Charpipe -> $300

Not even mentioning the downpipe and the exhaust since they are pretty standard upgrades but the upgrades above cost over $4K.

Not to mention the closed deck block and the air to water cooling of the S55. The overall package is much more robust from the factory. Like you said above in your post. It is the ease at which the S55 makes power, at whatever power levels you are seeking. At 500hp, the motor isn't even breaking a sweat. Personally I also enjoy the S55 rev-happy nature much more. I've owned N55 powered cars before, although a very good powerplant...it doesn't have any of that old M character. The S55 really is the last BMW powerplant currently sold that has a little bit of that old NA M feeling. If I wasn't getting a M2C, I would be much more inclined to find a 1M with the N54.

[Blurbo311]

Originally Posted by kdbryce

The competition is SO much better looking

I respectfully disagree.

[Blurbo311]

Originally Posted by kdbryce

The competition is SO much better looking

Originally Posted by C5driver

Nice post, OP.

Not sure if this was brought up, since I'm not going to read 9 pages worth of wheel comparisons, but here're some thoughts:

1. Since you track the car, can you out drive your M2 and how will the 44whp difference, 45nm tq, and marginal changes in suspension, brakes, cooling, vs weight of the M2C, translate to times?

2. Factor in depreciation, mods, and whatever ADM (if any) and you're talking significant performance improvements to your current M2.

3. The N55 was shoved into the M2C strictly because of emission standards and they had the motor readily available. The S55 is a pretty old motor, IIRC.

4. The seats still suck for a track car and in the end, it's ultimately a sports sedan and will never be confused with a sports car like the GT4 you drove

^ I think you meant to swap the N55 and S55 places in #3 above.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by chris719

N55 basically needs a new fueling system to make S55 tuned power. N55 cooling system will not be able to dissipate the heat of making more than stock power easily, even with aftermarket FMIC. S55 baffled pseudo-dry sump will help prevent oil starvation during high G cornering. S55 is objectively a better engine. Your modded N55 will be full of aftermarket parts and of unknown reliability. BMW does not just cast a new cylinder head for funsies.

Also, generally mods do not add value and usually reduce the value of your car. In contrast, you can look at the average selling price of E46 and E92 ZCP vs non ZCP cars for the same model year and see it appears to be higher despite both of those packages adding very little.

pointless post that ignores OP context. he is intent on modding and therefore no warranty. hence my 2c. and really I have never heard of a single starvation issue on a modern bmw motor but thank god for a psuedo dry sump. any other specs you want to lift from the marketing brochure?

[chris719]

Originally Posted by stefan

pointless post that ignores OP context. he is intent on modding and therefore no warranty. hence my 2c.

Salty N55 M2 owner much? It does not ignore context and I did not mention warranty at all. Almost every single post you make is in child-like defensiveness and disregards logic when it comes to the M2.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by chris719

Salty N55 M2 owner much? It does not ignore context and I did not mention warranty at all. Almost every single post you make is in child-like defensiveness and disregards logic when it comes to the M2.

as stated, its not salt around my current car ownership as im not michael schumacher and would not know what to do with all that "capability" of a tuned S55. you mentioned lack of reliability which is totally irrelevant given the OPs desire to mod and you mentioned lack of resale which is irrelevant given the OPs desire to mod unless to factor in that mods can be removed. Right but it MUST be salt around having an N55 and not an obvious response to the context of the discussion. you should just attach the S55 marketing bulletin to your signature and save yourself all the typing.

[grl.racr]

Literally thought there was a lawnmower going in the background of the video until I realized that’s just the sound of the S55. No thanks. Plenty of other cars out there that can put the power down and not sound like garbage lol.

[C5driver]

Originally Posted by Blurbo311

^ I think you meant to swap the N55 and S55 places in #3 above.

Yes. Thanks for the catch.

[Mstigator]

Originally Posted by mrs.boost

Literally thought there was a lawnmower going in the background of the video until I realized that’s just the sound of the S55. No thanks. Plenty of other cars out there that can put the power down and not sound like garbage lol.

Geez you're right! Even the idle sounds like a lawnmower... I thought it only sounded horrible when going over 4krpm rev and under load.


As predicted in the S55 engine/exhaust forum, future M2C owners are already talking about trying to remedy the crap sound by adding combined stream mid pipes (AA), little do they know, it doesn't help much.

On topic, very informative post OP.
Glad you decide to do with the objectively better option.
To me, as a whole package (looks, performance, sound), the OG M2 right now stands as the peak M2, like how the E46 M3 was the peak M3, like how the 991.2 GT3 6MT is the peak 911

Skip the M2C and see what BMW comes up next. Or go Porsche next

[M3_WC]

Originally Posted by THEROK

Finally a legit M2 - nice work BMW.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by cntzl

It's not about tuning the crap out of the engine to make 700whp. He's basically pointing out to the potential and the capacity of the engine. I had my M4 Comp for little over 2 years and never once wanted more than the stock 430whp. I don't even want 500whp on my M2C. It's more about how easily you can achieve these numbers without putting too much stress on the engine or going through major internal upgrades. I'm not even sure sure if stock N55 can make 400whp on stock components but let's look at it this way: An open-deck engine running at 90-100% to make near 400whp vs a closed deck engine running at 60-70% to make the same power. I wouldn't want to be running my engine at the limit or even near the limit at all.

Everyone's expectation in terms of tuning is different. Some people want the absolute possible max output while others want moderate increases. 440-450whp is the sweet spot for me and M2C can easily get there with simple 10min flash. Even if I acquire an OG M2 with big fat discount, it'll still cost me significant amount of money to bring it to those levels.

That being said, I think OG M2 is a great car if you are not planning to do any engine tuning or mods. Otherwise, S55 is a better platform to serve those needs.

Originally Posted by M3_WC

Not to mention the closed deck block and the air to water cooling of the S55. The overall package is much more robust from the factory. Like you said above in your post. It is the ease at which the S55 makes power, at whatever power levels you are seeking. At 500hp, the motor isn't even breaking a sweat. Personally I also enjoy the S55 rev-happy nature much more. I've owned N55 powered cars before, although a very good powerplant...it doesn't have any of that old M character. The S55 really is the last BMW powerplant currently sold that has a little bit of that old NA M feeling. If I wasn't getting a M2C, I would be much more inclined to find a 1M with the N54.

All reasons why I think the move to S55 is huge. How easily it handles power upgrades. The M-like manner in which the power is delivered. Like M3_WC says, it is a rev happy motor. As cliche as it sounds, the S55 drives like a S designated motor.

10-15+ years from now it will be like the Z3M Coupe, which had S52 and S54. The later revised M Coupe with the S54 carries a premium over the S52 powered cars. Even though some would argue the S52 sounds better(I'll admit I'm a S54 fanboy and I beg to differ). In case of the M2, the engine swap is a huge factor and only for a few grand. A major upgrade in terms of hardware. But in reality I could couldn't care less about values that far down the road, as I hold onto cars maybe 3 years max.

[akkando]

Originally Posted by kdbryce

Idk man, I like it all. And I love the wheels! The whole front end is like five times better looking than the old one

A random person wouldn't even be able to tell the difference.

[Edward]

As always not worth the spend to upgrade if you have one already but overall much better than gen 1. Better wheels, brakes, bumper is updated (easy to hate it if you own gen 1), much better seats even tho as far as one piece seats go, the m3/4 seats are about as bad as they get.

Lci's are a necessary "evil"