[PackPride85]

Originally Posted by vladberca

Found another article about the new S57 engine developed for M2:
http://www.sportauto.de/marken/news/...s-8361923.html
We need @Scott26 to clarify

There may be 100 updated stories out now, but they're all citing the same single source (autocar). I haven't been on these forums long enough to know how accurate the info is posted here vs the mags, but I've seen ALOT of mag articles for various cars turn out to be vapor.

[W///]

Originally Posted by smakdown61

There may be 100 updated stories out now, but they're all citing the same single source (autocar). I haven't been on these forums long enough to know how accurate the info is posted here vs the mags, but I've seen ALOT of mag articles for various cars turn out to be vapor.

I'd trust our insiders in the forums long before I trust 1 (yes ONE!) article, that can't even get the front of the car right with their renders.

[twin fed]

Originally Posted by W///

I'd trust our insiders in the forums long before I trust 1 (yes ONE!) article, that can't even get the front of the car right with their renders.

So true

[Alpine F31]

Originally Posted by M4isKing

me no likey as much as some of the other renderings.

finally not say "render"

Forget it. It's a lost cause. It's like trying to get people to stop calling wheels "rims".

[M4isKing]

Originally Posted by Alpine F31

Forget it. It's a lost cause. It's like trying to get people to stop calling wheels "rims".

it was right this time!

you dont like my 24" rims?

[Seagull]

Originally Posted by Alpine F31

Forget it. It's a lost cause. It's like trying to get people to stop calling wheels "rims".

Or calling head restraints head rests.

[OrangeCrush]

Originally Posted by vladberca

Found another article about the new S57 engine developed for M2:
http://www.sportauto.de/marken/news/...s-8361923.html
We need @Scott26 to clarify

B57 is a diesel engine. If the article stated S58 it might be somewhat believable...unless you think the M2 is going to be powered be a diesel.

[OrangeCrush]

This car absolutely needs an M4 style carbon fiber roof. The lines flow perfectly with the hood crease and if this is supposed to be the small toss able M car it has to start there...shedding weight at the highest point.

[golf_234]

Somebody please do Alpine White with carbon roof. Please!

[dmboone25]

Originally Posted by golf_234

Somebody please do Alpine White with carbon roof. Please!

And with black CSLs.

And without the wing. Or hood vents.

[Bosozoku]

Originally Posted by Jason

Which is why I said we used our imagination and that some (or none) of the imagined parts may make the production M2, and would likely be unique from the M3/M4 if they did make the car.

The only parts actual confirmed by the spy pics are the front bumper and wide fenders.

Agree. Great Photoshop (and design) work.
I can't wait to find out what the M2 will look like.

[Artemis]

Originally Posted by RingMeister01

BMW definitely peeks in the forum more often than the general forum members think and that's a good thing!

Apparently they do peek, as can be concluded by this post of forum fellow @ynguldyn:

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

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10/23/14 UPDATE
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This is a sad one: BMW has caught up with me once again. Granted, it took them over a year this time, not three weeks like in early 2013, but from now on I will not be able to post as much good info as I've been able to. There will still be some interesting bits and pieces, but they will be nowhere close to what you've come to expect of this thread. For that, I apologize.

source: http://f20.1addicts.com/forums/showp...99&postcount=1

[Bosozoku]

Originally Posted by bladeomatic

This could be, but I'm not so sure.

I don't see BMW as intending the M3/4 to be the best offering they have. I think the public does that.

The M3/4 is the standard bearer for the brand, partly because it's so excellent and partly because it's the sinister version of the most popular core model they sell (3 series). The 3 is what the Accord is to Honda and the Camry is to Toyota. Wildly-popular & mid-sized.

Fundamentally, you can get some good benefits out of other models (M5, X5M, M6, Z4, etc.). but the M3 is sized right where most folks want. Not too big, not too small. Even if the M2 is faster or handles better than the M3/4, it's not going to be the size that most folks want. Witness the popularity of the 1/2 series vs. the 3/4 series.

That said, I seriously doubt that BMW will intentionally retard the performance of the M2 simply so it doesn't compete with the M3/4. Why? Because the 1 series M had virtually identical 0-60, 1/4 mile and skidpad specs as it's big brother M3 of the day. They certainly didn't hamper the last M pocket rocket.

There may be some obstacles in the smaller car that prevent BMW from providing a powerplant that closely competes with the M3/4. But the M2 will have the natural advantage of size/weight over the bigger cars. I fully expect an M2 will have no problem keeping up with an M3/4...and in certain situations (tight track, etc.) even possibly trouncing them.

Agree that the public has chosen the 3/4 Series as the sales leader.
Not so sure about the 2 Series weight advantage (at least the M235i anyway.)
The base model M235i and 435i are within 100 lb. and 2" in width of each other.
Or course, the M235i's smaller aerodynamic cross section should help top speed.

M235i:
3505 lb. (6MT), 3535 lb. (8AT)
69.8" width x 174.5" length

435i:
3600 lb. (6MT), 3635 lb. (8AT)
71.9" width, 182.6" length

I think BMW's plan for the M2 will probably be determined more by economics than by where the car might or might not end up in BMW's performance model hierarchy. There must be a spreadsheet somewhere in Munich with all the numbers: carbon fiber panel costs, Active M differential cost, M4 suspension crossover parts costs, enhanced N55 development costs, cost of manufacturing and stocking all M2-specific replacement parts over the life of the model generation, production costs, projected sales and lease pricing, projected sales and lease volumes in all markets, 4K mile "free" service costs, projected service and maintenance revenue after 4K miles, ad nauseam.

So somewhere there's a sweet spot. With enough go-fast components to put the M2 ahead of the M235i but not with such a high sticker price that it won't sell. I think the biggest hint we have about the M2's performance is the rumor that it will have a warmed-over single-turbo N55 instead of the twin-turbo S55.

[ORIGIN M.]

Can somebody do mineral grey

That other grey is washed out.

It looks like putty or clay.

TIA !!!

[Cavpilot2k]

Originally Posted by Seagull

Or calling head restraints head rests.

Well this one makes sense. How often does that piece of equipment restrain your head vs how often you rest your head on it?

[SCOTT26]

Its a more relevant render but it still looks a little "Aftermarket".
Perhaps its is the angle but there needs to be more depth added to the rear wheel arch. It kind of looks like an M Sport 220d with M Performance accessories when you squint.

As for L shaped LEDs? I do not think M2 will receive these just standard "sqircles"

Thumbs up for the rendition of the aeropacket however.

[millifoo]

Originally Posted by red-sauerkraut

Can somebody do mineral grey

That other grey is washed out.

It looks like putty or clay.

TIA !!!

Is this closer?

[millifoo]

And black...

[WWM3]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Its a more relevant render but it still looks a little "Aftermarket".
Perhaps its is the angle but there needs to be more depth added to the rear wheel arch. It kind of looks like an M Sport 220d with M Performance accessories when you squint.

As for L shaped LEDs? I do not think M2 will receive these just standard "sqircles"

Thumbs up for the rendition of the aeropacket however.

The rear wheel arch depth sounds good to me!

[Seagull]

Originally Posted by Cavpilot2k

Well this one makes sense. How often does that piece of equipment restrain your head vs how often you rest your head on it?

Haha, yeah I use to not care about the difference either.

But in a few BMW driver training sessions, the instructors called them Head Restraints ( good for rear impact whiplash ) when going over seating position and adjustments, instead of Head Rests. They would say "you're not driving a lazyboy reclining chair and if you think you are, you're driving the wrong brand." It's now really stuck in my head as Head Restraints. I think they said the ideal position is 1-2" behind your head - your head should not be touching. It's there for your safety, not for your driving pleasure and hence by law it has to be there.

Just like they didn't want people calling the dead pedal the dead pedal. The reason being, your foot doesn't lie there as if it's dead. You brace with it. It's there to help you create a stable base to ensure your driving inputs are consistent. But for the life of me, I can't remember what he called :P

[Seagull]

Can someone do a re-render and take this into consideration?

a) Angle this section in more. This looks flatter than the game render. The game render seems to show that it has more depth into the intake.

b) Flatten this section out a bit. It looks perhaps too angled or even sculpted compared to the game render and the camo shots

c) It looks like the front air curtain section extend further up in the game shot and connects with the upper side of the "b" section I highlighted. In the camo shot, it doesn't extend that high maybe... but maybe its just taped over at that height.

[Seagull]

Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Its a more relevant render but it still looks a little "Aftermarket".
Perhaps its is the angle but there needs to be more depth added to the rear wheel arch. It kind of looks like an M Sport 220d with M Performance accessories when you squint.

As for L shaped LEDs? I do not think M2 will receive these just standard "sqircles"

Thumbs up for the rendition of the aeropacket however.

Scott, any chance we might see the aerodynamic passages next to the lights? On the camo shots it's not there, but it might be just covered....