Updated car differentials

kylejdavidson · 07-29-2016, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Nine Lives

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Originally Posted by kylejdavidson

Thanks for this. Just called BMW genius they confirmed my car is part of the stop and the diff will be replaced once it hits the vpc in Oxnard. Eta is 8/3. They unfortunately are not able to provide an eta until the car hits the vpc. At that time he stated I could be given an eta but it may change several times so best to not take it as gospel until the work order is compete. Advised me not to dispose of my current vehicle as they don't know how long it could be. I'm in a loaner already so that part is a non issue. He stated appx 1200 cars affected by this. Parts manufacturer is working overtime. He was not able to tell me whether they would be shipped via sea or air.

Not much new info at all but thought I'd share. For the record my car was produced 6/24.

Exactly the same production date as my car ! But mine is still at the factory with no eta

No way really? That's so bizarre. Did you have a 2016 or a 2017? Apparently both were built on that day and I had the last 2016. Sorry to hear that. What a mess all of this is. Hopefully both our cars will be fixed soon and where they're supposed to be...in our hands!

Nine Lives · 07-29-2016, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by kylejdavidson

No way really? That's so bizarre. Did you have a 2016 or a 2017? Apparently both were built on that day and I had the last 2016. Sorry to hear that. What a mess all of this is. Hopefully both our cars will be fixed soon and where they're supposed to be...in our hands!

Unfortunately yes.I'm not too sure about the MY.I'm hoping it is a '17 because it's got wireless charging and hotspot so I don't know whether this will include the new iDrive 5 or not.

Looking on the positive side we're all in this together, one big happy boat with no Captain at the helm...

kylejdavidson · 07-29-2016, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Nine Lives

Unfortunately yes.I'm not too sure about the MY.I'm hoping it is a '17 because it's got wireless charging and hotspot so I don't know whether this will include the new iDrive 5 or not.

Looking on the positive side we're all in this together, one big happy boat with no Captain at the helm...

Seems like you've got a 2017 since you have some 2017 equipment on it.

And well said haha.

winterrogue_F87 · 07-29-2016, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck W.

It is probably buried in the previous 195 threads... but, our M2 is being shipped after our ED and is due at the VPC on August 12. It is on the list. Will the repair be made at the VPC before its shipped to the dealer? Or, will the dealer handle the repair?

The repair will be done at VPC. The dealer is only doing vehicles that have already been delivered to customers

Chuck W. · 07-29-2016, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by F87queen

The repair will be done at VPC. The dealer is on doing vehicles that have already been delivered to customers

Cool, thanks.

Smiley1175 · 07-30-2016, 12:29 AM

I really feel for everyone caught up in this debacle.
I just picked mine up and no mention of a hold on the car nor differential.
I also wasn't going to ask them again as I just wanted the car.
My car is in the production range of cars effected, however it seems either not all cars are effected or because it's not a safety related issue perhaps our rules/laws are different here??

reppucci · 07-31-2016, 01:01 PM

Between May 12, 2016 and July 4, 2016, the dates BMW claims affected M cars with M differential "recalls/hold" were built, there were 208 NA M2's produced; 398 Euro M2's; 180 RHD M2's produced.

Remember there was a stop in all M2 production from 6/24/16 through 7/11/16? Probably due to the Differential issue. No M2 came off the line from 6/24/16 until 7/11/16.

So within 6 weeks BMW produced 786 M2's with a potentially faulty differential.

RealOEM has a new Differential part number effective 7/1/2016 which supersedes the prior diff part number (see my prior post)

786 M2's worldwide produced within 6 weeks! That is 130 per week! Who doubts that BMW could crank up M2 production to over 6K per year or more? Here is the proof!

I do however believe that BMW will try to keep M2 production low for reasons outlined in other threads!

reppucci · 07-31-2016, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kylejdavidson

No way really? That's so bizarre. Did you have a 2016 or a 2017? Apparently both were built on that day and I had the last 2016. Sorry to hear that. What a mess all of this is. Hopefully both our cars will be fixed soon and where they're supposed to be...in our hands!

several RHD and euro 2017 were built earlier in June. Tough to parse out since the "H" in the 10th VIN digit for NA and certain other countries, which designates MY17, "G" designates MY16, does not seem to be required or apply for certain euro vehicles!

Nine Lives · 07-31-2016, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by reppucci

several RHD and euro 2017 were built earlier in June. Tough to parse out since the "H" in the 10th VIN digit for NA and certain other countries, which designates MY17, "G" designates MY16, does not seem to be required or apply for certain euro vehicles!

Certainly seems the way for the UK,10th digit on my vin is a
" 0 "

boohorlicks · 08-02-2016, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

How about the keys to a loaner vehicle so you can put some free miles on #not-your-car while yours is being worked on ?

Aside from that .. A properly functioning vehicle isn't good enough ?

How about I am paying every month for an M2 that now needs to be fixed due to no fault of my own?

It should be properly functioning from the factory but I understand that faults do happen. My point was that there ought to be some sort of compensation.

mac128ic · 08-02-2016, 01:11 PM

Do you guys see hold in allocations due to this issue?

M3 Adjuster · 08-02-2016, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by boohorlicks

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Originally Posted by M3 Adjuster

How about the keys to a loaner vehicle so you can put some free miles on #not-your-car while yours is being worked on ?

Aside from that .. A properly functioning vehicle isn't good enough ?

How about I am paying every month for an M2 that now needs to be fixed due to no fault of my own?

It should be properly functioning from the factory but I understand that faults do happen. My point was that there ought to be some sort of compensation.

This is pretty simple.

You paid for - transportation
Your loaner car - transportation

Your car payment exists because you didn't pay for the car in full ( most of us don't of course ) and so nothing changes with that. That's a personal situation that has nothing to do with the fact that your car isn't running currently other than it is an annoyance.

In the sales contract there is consideration for when the vehicle has an issue " Through no fault of your own ". It's called your warranty.

If you were provided a loaner vehicle, then the vehicle that you are paying for is not gaining any mileage while this repair is being done and you are putting mileage and wear and tear on that vehicle and not your own.

There is no other consideration in the sales contract other than a warranty, so I'm not sure why you would expect any other compensation ?

What were you expecting ? A free watch? A free iPad ? A couple of hundies in the ash tray?

Keep in mind that BMW makes the vehicle but they don't make every part.. Airbags, fuel pumps, control arms, diffs, etc. When a supplier makes a part and it doesn't work properly, BMW will have to go back to the supplier that failed them. They will get replacement parts and possibly ( but not necessarily) payment for the labor they have involved but i very much doubt that BMW is being compensated for their not being able to sell vehicles.

gmzanatta · 08-02-2016, 02:42 PM

Part of my longer post on the Canadian Deliveries thread follows below. Even more bad news.

The rear diffs made it to port in NJ and over 80% of the parts have been found to be damaged and/or with poor gear interlocking - the same issue in the current differentials, so basically the supplier gave them the same shitty parts again.

My car which was due to be ready this week no longer has a date for delivery. The next batch of parts is being air freighted to the Toronto warehouse, with a delivery date of this Friday (Aug. 5th).

From that point, each diff is now going to be inspected before being sent out to dealers. The earliest ETA's for any cars at the moment are the following Friday (Aug. 12th).

Oh and our local M4 GTS has shown up this week with same issues, and the M4 GTS's are going to be made part of the recall pretty soon.

NachoM · 08-02-2016, 02:55 PM

What a mess. Not happy seeing a new part number for the "new diff" after this recall.

Every single M car I've had suffered from some issues.
MCoupe/E92 M3 and now this one.

Crazy.

My M2 seems free from this issue but this new part number worries me.

jtodd_fl · 08-02-2016, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by gmzanatta

Part of my longer post on the Canadian Deliveries thread follows below. Even more bad news.

The rear diffs made it to port in NJ and over 80% of the parts have been found to be damaged and/or with poor gear interlocking - the same issue in the current differentials, so basically the supplier gave them the same shitty parts again.

My car which was due to be ready this week no longer has a date for delivery. The next batch of parts is being air freighted to the Toronto warehouse, with a delivery date of this Friday (Aug. 5th).

From that point, each diff is now going to be inspected before being sent out to dealers. The earliest ETA's for any cars at the moment are the following Friday (Aug. 12th).

Oh and our local M4 GTS has shown up this week with same issues, and the M4 GTS's are going to be made part of the recall pretty soon.

As my kids would say...

kylejdavidson · 08-02-2016, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by gmzanatta

Part of my longer post on the Canadian Deliveries thread follows below. Even more bad news.

The rear diffs made it to port in NJ and over 80% of the parts have been found to be damaged and/or with poor gear interlocking - the same issue in the current differentials, so basically the supplier gave them the same shitty parts again.

My car which was due to be ready this week no longer has a date for delivery. The next batch of parts is being air freighted to the Toronto warehouse, with a delivery date of this Friday (Aug. 5th).

From that point, each diff is now going to be inspected before being sent out to dealers. The earliest ETA's for any cars at the moment are the following Friday (Aug. 12th).

Oh and our local M4 GTS has shown up this week with same issues, and the M4 GTS's are going to be made part of the recall pretty soon.

Thanks for the info...this is awful news. Really can't believe what a cluster**** this is turning into.

Glounk · 08-02-2016, 03:59 PM

This will cost a lot to BMW, something went and still go seriously wrong with their suppliers and monitoring the quality !!!!!!!!!

Nine Lives · 08-02-2016, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gmzanatta

Part of my longer post on the Canadian Deliveries thread follows below. Even more bad news.

The rear diffs made it to port in NJ and over 80% of the parts have been found to be damaged and/or with poor gear interlocking - the same issue in the current differentials, so basically the supplier gave them the same shitty parts again.

My car which was due to be ready this week no longer has a date for delivery. The next batch of parts is being air freighted to the Toronto warehouse, with a delivery date of this Friday (Aug. 5th).

From that point, each diff is now going to be inspected before being sent out to dealers. The earliest ETA's for any cars at the moment are the following Friday (Aug. 12th).

Oh and our local M4 GTS has shown up this week with same issues, and the M4 GTS's are going to be made part of the recall pretty soon.

The seeds of doubt are being sown...

Is it feasible the fixed/replaced diffs on cars released might have been replaced with defective parts ?

gmzanatta · 08-02-2016, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Nine Lives

The seeds of doubt are being sown...

Is it feasible the fixed/replaced diffs on cars released might have been replaced with defective parts ?

Nope. They QA/QC'd all the parts which is why they found all the defective ones and also why they've been really quiet about the issue - they've had the new parts for a while now, it just so happens they're all shite.

Nine Lives · 08-02-2016, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nine Lives

The seeds of doubt are being sown...

Is it feasible the fixed/replaced diffs on cars released might have been replaced with defective parts ?

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Originally Posted by gmzanatta

Nope. They QA/QC'd all the parts which is why they found all the defective ones and also why they've been really quiet about the issue - they've had the new parts for a while now, it just so happens they're all shite.

This is what I mean.If the new ones are no good,how do we know that these haven't been fitted to the " fixed cars " and BMW being oblivious to this until it's too late and they have to be recalled again ?

gmzanatta · 08-02-2016, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Nine Lives

This is what I mean.If the new ones are no good,how do we know that these haven't been fitted to the " fixed cars " and BMW being oblivious to this until it's too late and they have to be recalled again ?

My understanding from the call today was that only the good new parts were fitted to the cars - they checked all of them.

People with set delivery dates can expect those to start slipping pretty soon...

Prodigy. · 08-03-2016, 01:56 AM

Im thankful that at this stage there is no mention of cars being effected prior to the cars built in the given date range, however what are the chances of them recalling our cars which were built before May 12th once they've sorted all the non delivered cars?

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Smiley1175 Major 283 Rep 1,017 Posts Drives: M2 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Melbourne iTrader: (0)	I really feel for everyone caught up in this debacle. I just picked mine up and no mention of a hold on the car nor differential. I also wasn't going to ask them again as I just wanted the car. My car is in the production range of cars effected, however it seems either not all cars are effected or because it's not a safety related issue perhaps our rules/laws are different here??
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reppucci First Lieutenant 340 Rep 310 Posts Drives: 04A6 2.7T(DD), 16M2 BSM MT EP Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Western CT iTrader: (0) Garage List 2016 M2 [0.00] 1995 M3 [0.00] 2006 Mini Cooper S ... [0.00] 2004 A6 2.7T [0.00] 1994 325is [0.00]	786 M2's built within a 6 week period with affected differential Between May 12, 2016 and July 4, 2016, the dates BMW claims affected M cars with M differential "recalls/hold" were built, there were 208 NA M2's produced; 398 Euro M2's; 180 RHD M2's produced. Remember there was a stop in all M2 production from 6/24/16 through 7/11/16? Probably due to the Differential issue. No M2 came off the line from 6/24/16 until 7/11/16. So within 6 weeks BMW produced 786 M2's with a potentially faulty differential. RealOEM has a new Differential part number effective 7/1/2016 which supersedes the prior diff part number (see my prior post) 786 M2's worldwide produced within 6 weeks! That is 130 per week! Who doubts that BMW could crank up M2 production to over 6K per year or more? Here is the proof! I do however believe that BMW will try to keep M2 production low for reasons outlined in other threads!
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gmzanatta Colonel 1823 Rep 2,948 Posts Drives: LBB 6MT M2 # 660/713 Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: NB iTrader: (0)	Part of my longer post on the Canadian Deliveries thread follows below. Even more bad news. The rear diffs made it to port in NJ and over 80% of the parts have been found to be damaged and/or with poor gear interlocking - the same issue in the current differentials, so basically the supplier gave them the same shitty parts again. My car which was due to be ready this week no longer has a date for delivery. The next batch of parts is being air freighted to the Toronto warehouse, with a delivery date of this Friday (Aug. 5th). From that point, each diff is now going to be inspected before being sent out to dealers. The earliest ETA's for any cars at the moment are the following Friday (Aug. 12th). Oh and our local M4 GTS has shown up this week with same issues, and the M4 GTS's are going to be made part of the recall pretty soon.
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NachoM Private 67 Rep 89 Posts Drives: M2 Alpine White Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Spain iTrader: (0)	What a mess. Not happy seeing a new part number for the "new diff" after this recall. Every single M car I've had suffered from some issues. MCoupe/E92 M3 and now this one. Crazy. My M2 seems free from this issue but this new part number worries me.
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Prodigy. Lieutenant Colonel 699 Rep 1,514 Posts Drives: ///M2 Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Australia iTrader: (0)	Im thankful that at this stage there is no mention of cars being effected prior to the cars built in the given date range, however what are the chances of them recalling our cars which were built before May 12th once they've sorted all the non delivered cars?
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