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      04-05-2020, 03:46 PM   #243
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That leaves the full on production M model some nice room to work with.
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Wait for it....
Still better than the M3/M4.
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Is the M2 still slated against the Cayman? The Supra also targets the Cayman and I am pretty sure part of their agreement was to not have competing sports cars. I know that one is a 2 seater and the other 2+2 but 2 similarly sized coupes on a similar platform with similar engine options sound pretty similar to me.
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Is the M2 still slated against the Cayman? The Supra also targets the Cayman and I am pretty sure part of their agreement was to not have competing sports cars. I know that one is a 2 seater and the other 2+2 but 2 similarly sized coupes on a similar platform with similar engine options sound pretty similar to me.
Kind of, M2 however is a lot heavier than a Cayman.
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Kind of, M2 however is a lot heavier than a Cayman.
The current one is but the next one will probably be lighter than it is now since it will be on the same underpinnings as the Supra/Z4. The Supra is also heavier than the Cayman and they are still competitors.
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Kind of, M2 however is a lot heavier than a Cayman.
The current one is but the next one will probably be lighter than it is now since it will be on the same underpinnings as the Supra/Z4. The Supra is also heavier than the Cayman and they are still competitors.
We shall see, the G8X M3/4 will likely give us a clue as to whether weight will be higher or lower. BMW also claimed the G20 was lighter than the F30, but it was mainly the chassis, but as a whole the G20 was heavier.
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We shall see, the G8X M3/4 will likely give us a clue as to whether weight will be higher or lower. BMW also claimed the G20 was lighter than the F30, but it was mainly the chassis, but as a whole the G20 was heavier.
Right but that doesn't take away from my question
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We shall see, the G8X M3/4 will likely give us a clue as to whether weight will be higher or lower. BMW also claimed the G20 was lighter than the F30, but it was mainly the chassis, but as a whole the G20 was heavier.
Right but that doesn't take away from my question
Didn't imply that, just said we shall see.
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Didn't imply that, just said we shall see.
If not the Cayman, I can't think what else would it compete with
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The current one is but the next one will probably be lighter than it is now since it will be on the same underpinnings as the Supra/Z4. The Supra is also heavier than the Cayman and they are still competitors.
Having driven a Cayman and Cayman S 6mt immediately prior to my first foray in an M2, I couldn't care less about the added weight. The M2 felt immensely more powerful, spirited, and yet forgiving. The 60-100 extra horsepower for the M2 vs the base 718 Cayman made the driving experience wholly different. While they might technically have people cross-shopping them, I think I'd be more inclined to compare the Z4 to the 718s. The manual on the M2 was also much smoother. Sure, the Porsche transmission was remarkably precise, but the M2s manual just made me feel like I was a better on a manual transmission than I actually was. No accidental jerkiness, no lugging starts off the line, just a blast. I don't even want to look at the Supra, either. From the moment it was released I had no interest, and I don't know why.
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      06-14-2020, 03:27 PM   #253
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Having driven a Cayman and Cayman S 6mt immediately prior to my first foray in an M2, I couldn't care less about the added weight. The M2 felt immensely more powerful, spirited, and yet forgiving. The 60-100 extra horsepower for the M2 vs the base 718 Cayman made the driving experience wholly different. While they might technically have people cross-shopping them, I think I'd be more inclined to compare the Z4 to the 718s. The manual on the M2 was also much smoother. Sure, the Porsche transmission was remarkably precise, but the M2s manual just made me feel like I was a better on a manual transmission than I actually was. No accidental jerkiness, no lugging starts off the line, just a blast. I don't even want to look at the Supra, either. From the moment it was released I had no interest, and I don't know why.
I understand that the M2 is a different driving experience than the Cayman and the Z4/Supra are direct competitors to the Boxster/Cayman respectively. But with the new M2 built on Z4/Supra underpinnings, it will be a very similar car to the Supra albeit 2+2, which may lead to it being cross shopped with the Cayman. That leads me back to my question on how BMW and Toyota will differentiate the two vehicles if they are 2 similarly sized cars with potentially the same engine and transmission options.
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      06-17-2020, 12:38 PM   #254
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2020 m2 cs vs 2022 m2

what does everyone think? i have an allocation for the CS but im debating passing on it if this new 2022 m2 with specs not too far off comes out in a year or two. i own the og m2 (2017) now for 3 years, absolutely love it, just want to make sure i do the right thing here. looking at how much the m4 cs has depreciated has spooked me a bit as well. thanks guys.
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If you're concerned about depreciation then keep what you have or get a great deal on an M2C. The CS may have some collector value way down the road but most people don't have the patience to wait out the value curve.

If money is not your concern then buy the CS and be proud and happy.

About the new M2 in 2022, it's mystery ware. It might be a big fat pig. Live for now.
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      06-19-2020, 05:41 AM   #256
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what does everyone think? i have an allocation for the CS but im debating passing on it if this new 2022 m2 with specs not too far off comes out in a year or two. i own the og m2 (2017) now for 3 years, absolutely love it, just want to make sure i do the right thing here. looking at how much the m4 cs has depreciated has spooked me a bit as well. thanks guys.
The new M2 is not supposed to go into production until December 2022 so not on dealer lots until 2023, so 2 and a half years from now. Awhile if you ask me.
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If you're concerned about depreciation then keep what you have or get a great deal on an M2C. The CS may have some collector value way down the road but most people don't have the patience to wait out the value curve.
If money is not your concern then buy the CS and be proud and happy.
About the new M2 in 2022, it's mystery ware. It might be a big fat pig. Live for now.
Around this time next week, I'll be back in the mountains in Northern Italy again, this time around with my 2020 M2C.

Couldn't do that with a 2023 G87 M2.

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what does everyone think? i have an allocation for the CS but im debating passing on it if this new 2022 m2 with specs not too far off comes out in a year or two. i own the og m2 (2017) now for 3 years, absolutely love it, just want to make sure i do the right thing here. looking at how much the m4 cs has depreciated has spooked me a bit as well. thanks guys.
The new M2 is not supposed to go into production until December 2022 so not on dealer lots until 2023, so 2 and a half years from now. Awhile if you ask me.
Thanks guys , appreciate it. Think I'm going to pass on the M2CS and try to get a deal on a M2C later this year. Seems like you get most of the performance improvement at a much lower price. Then leaves some dry powder for the next-gen in 2023!
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Thanks guys , appreciate it. Think I'm going to pass on the M2CS and try to get a deal on a M2C later this year. Seems like you get most of the performance improvement at a much lower price. Then leaves some dry powder for the next-gen in 2023!
Sounds like a good plan: get an M2C at an interesting discount in 2020 and put the M2 €$ premium aside for a possible 2023 G87 M2. Or spend it on mods and fuel.

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what does everyone think? i have an allocation for the CS but im debating passing on it if this new 2022 m2 with specs not too far off comes out in a year or two. i own the og m2 (2017) now for 3 years, absolutely love it, just want to make sure i do the right thing here. looking at how much the m4 cs has depreciated has spooked me a bit as well. thanks guys.
The new M2 is not supposed to go into production until December 2022 so not on dealer lots until 2023, so 2 and a half years from now. Awhile if you ask me.
Thanks guys , appreciate it. Think I'm going to pass on the M2CS and try to get a deal on a M2C later this year. Seems like you get most of the performance improvement at a much lower price. Then leaves some dry powder for the next-gen in 2023!
That was my approach as well. Passed on the M2CS and have a M2C in the production queue for delivery sometime in September.

Honestly, I still love the CS, but from a limited edition and investment standpoint. In terms of performance, it does not have as large of a gap compared to the M2C for my specific use case. Although I do love the electronic dampers.
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Around this time next week, I'll be back in the mountains in Northern Italy again, this time around with my 2020 M2C.

Couldn't do that with a 2023 G87 M2.

I have wheel envy!
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I understand that the M2 is a different driving experience than the Cayman and the Z4/Supra are direct competitors to the Boxster/Cayman respectively. But with the new M2 built on Z4/Supra underpinnings, it will be a very similar car to the Supra albeit 2+2, which may lead to it being cross shopped with the Cayman. That leads me back to my question on how BMW and Toyota will differentiate the two vehicles if they are 2 similarly sized cars with potentially the same engine and transmission options.
The G87 M2 being based on G29 Z4 platform is a sheer misunderstanding spread among the enthusiast community.

The 2 Series coupe (G42) will be based on a variation of CLAR platform that underpins everything from the Z4 to the 7 Series. In this sense, you can say M5 is also somewhat based on Z4.

The G87 M2 will be directly based on G42, of which we've already seen the leak picture. Most would agree it's pretty disappointing visual wise. The G87 and G42 will share chassis, unibody, a lot of body panels and all the electrics, just like the F87 and F22 do. There is very little BMW is able to change at this point, having made this far.

The M that's based on G29 Z4, if it ever gets made, would be called Z4M, potentially the best M that BMW can make at this age.

The M2 for the foreseeable future, will go into the market as the entry budget M model. However, the Z based M should be positioned similarly to the M4 if not slightly higher.

BTW, BMW doesn't seem to be eager to build something to compete against the M3/4, the very core and highly profitable M model.

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The G87 M2 being based on G29 Z4 platform is a sheer misunderstanding spread among the enthusiast community.

The 2 Series coupe (G42) will be based on a variation of CLAR platform that underpins everything from the Z4 to the 7 Series. In this sense, you can say M5 is also somewhat based on Z4.


The G87 M2 will be directly based on G42, of which we've already seen the leak picture. Most would agree it's pretty disappointing visual wise. The G87 and G42 will share chassis, unibody, a lot of body panels and all the electrics, just like the F87 and F22 do. There is very little BMW is able to change at this point, having made this far.

The M that's based on G29 Z4, if it ever gets made, would be called Z4M, potentially the best M that BMW can make at this age.

The M2 for the foreseeable future, will go into the market as the entry budget M model. However, the Z based M should be positioned similarly to the M4 if not slightly higher.

BTW, BMW doesn't seem to be eager to build something to compete against the M3/4, the very core and highly profitable M model.

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I made sure not to use word "platform" to make it clear I was in no way implying this.

I understand that platform is an overarching term that more so relates to the development philosophy and not that the 2 series and X7 will share a physical chassis components. This is why I used the word "underpinnings" and not "platform" to avoid this confusion because it is obvious that any new rwd BMW will be based on the CLAR platform.

The future 2 series being based off the Z4/Supra underpinnings that will produce 2 very similarly sized coupes with the 2 series/M2 and Supra, which will have very similar engine options and probably similar pricing.
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The G87 M2 will be directly based on G42, of which we've already seen the leak picture. Most would agree it's pretty disappointing visual wise.

Was that really the G42 though? I thought it was some asian market 1 series model, no?
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